The True Founder of Christianity

The prophesy isn't self-fulfilling but it is being fulfilled by God. When God says something he will happen he is not just passively observing the future but is revealing what he is going to do. The return to Israel is being brought about through the efforts of people but ultimately it is God who inspired those people and enabled them to succeed.

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Precisely what it means to be self-fulfilling.

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The Zionist movement was already underway before the Balfour declaration but the British government did help it.

If it wasn't for Great Britain there would be no Israel.

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The location of the homeland was based on the historical fact that that is where the Jews had lived before.

The Jews had lived in many places. Israel was the "holy land" according to christian theology, it was the place where prophesy said they would return, so naturally the Christians chose that location. Among other reasons.

I think you have gotten it backwards. The Palestinians and other Arab nations are acting like nazis in their desire to destroy Israel. When the UN established Israel in 1948 it also established a state for Palestine. This ended when the other countries united in an attempt to destroy Israel. Israel has been forced to fight constantly to defend herself ever since.

The Messiah came to the Jews almost 2,000 years ago. It was their rejection of him that brought about their exile. But God has never rejected the Jews as his people and the time is coming when they Jesus will return and they will finally acknowledge him as the Messiah.

theophilus;71551 wrote:

The Jews had lived in many places. Israel was the "holy land" according to christian theology, it was the place where prophesy said they would return, so naturally the Christians chose that location. Among other reasons.

Israel is the only place the Jews have ever lived as an independent nation.

Fatal_Freedoms;71553 wrote:

Israel is the only place the Jews have ever lived as an independent nation.

Okay, and how does that mean the prophesy isn't self-fulfilling? If it weren't for great Britain Isarael would not exist.



You have yet to provide a single prophesy that meets the criteria for a genuine prophesy. As such I will continue to insist that Christianity, like all other organized religions is man-made.

If there is such thing as divine truth, it cannot be contained in a book written, translated and re-translated by mortal men without losing whatever truth it had. This is the error that christians make.

Okay, and how does that mean the prophesy isn't self-fulfilling? If it weren't for great Britain Isarael would not exist.

You have yet to provide a single prophesy that meets the criteria for a genuine prophesy.

If there is such thing as divine truth, it cannot be contained in a book written, translated and re-translated by mortal men without losing whatever truth it had. This is the error that christians make.

Great Britain was merely the instrument God used to carry out his will. If she hadn't helped Israel he would have found another way to fulfill his promise. The fact that a prophecy is self fulfilling doesn't mean it is false. It is possible that God prophesies things so that people will do them.

Have you considered the possiblity that the criteria you have set are wrong? God doesn't always do things in the way that we think is right.

How do you know it can't? If God can reveal truth surely he can also make sure that it is preserved.

Here is an article which show that other Biblical prohecies are being fulfilled today:

Edward Wood

None of these could be considered self-fulfilling.

Great Britain was merely the instrument God used to carry out his will.

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Why cannot god carry out his own will? Perhaps people must, because there is no god to do them, so they must.

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If she hadn't helped Israel he would have found another way to fulfill his promise.

How do you know that? Do you know something that I don't?

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The fact that a prophecy is self fulfilling doesn't mean it is false.

You are absolutely right. But what it does mean is that there is most likely nothing divine or supernatural about it. It's just people doing, what people do. How does that prove that the bible is anything other than just another man-made religious book?

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It is possible that God prophesies things so that people will do them.

Then it's not a prophesy..... it's a command. This does absolutely nothing to establish the bible as authoritative. Anybody can write commands. This does not require divine knowledge.

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Have you considered the possiblity that the criteria you have set are wrong? God doesn't always do things in the way that we think is right.

I think the criteria are both reasonable and necessary. If it cannot pass such simple tests, then how do I know it's a genuine prophesy?

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How do you know it can't? If God can reveal truth surely he can also make sure that it is preserved.

Because an infallible truth cannot be contained by fallible minds.

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Here is an article which show that other Biblical prohecies are being fulfilled today:

Edward Wood

None of these could be considered self-fulfilling.

Why don't you pick the best one, and see how it stacks up?