Atheist debating tactics

Prove it.

The author of Harry Potter claimed her book was fiction. The authors of the bible claim their book is non-fiction. And since you have to indulge in fiction to prove the bible wrong, then it's you who slanders authors without proof. Sorry.

I hate to tell you this, but you can't use that line when it's convinent, and ignore it when it's not. Like I said troll fodder.

Again, I don't slander authors. Unlike atheists, I need proof that they're not telling the truth, before I accuse them of lying. So the bible is right about atheists; They're god-haters, slanderers, gossips, arrogant, malicious, ignorant, arrogant and boastful as you prove.

Well, that settles it!

I'm converted. Praise the lord!

YOU are the only one I see calling people names. What do they call that? Oh yea, hypocrite.

Ghandi said it best;

"I like your Christ, I do not Like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ".

Never have more truthful words been spoken. You are typical, insulting people while accusing them of insulting people. Self Righteous vomit. Congratulations on turning people off from Christ.

Yes it does since you can't prove it to be untrue. End of story.

being unable at this time to prove that the bible is a work of fiction.. does not make it fact....... all we have to do is wait and see.. you posted that the end times are not far off.. wait and see.. all we can do is argue for or against.. and it's going in circles on all accounts.. you are too deep in your conditioning to see any side but your own.. and of course.. because the "bible" warned you that -people might come to the realization that it's a fantasy-.. but they preach - do not heed them.. for it is falsehood and blasphemy.. they are under the spell of satan- ---WAIT AND SEE CARICO--

[SIZE="5"][FONT="Comic Sans MS"]how can u not even for a moment consider the possibility that words put to paper written by the hands of an imperfect man.. translated to millions by imperfect men.. and preached to the multitudes by imperfect men.. might not be [SIZE="7"]ALL[/SIZE] [SIZE="6"]THERE IS?????:dunno::no:[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE]

I can't prove there aren't invisible unicorns on Saturn.

Thanks for admitting the bible has as much validity as invisible unicorns on saturn. :thumbup:

Sorry, but until you read the bible several times and see how not only extremely detailed it is about the events it describes which includes genealogies with not one contradiction, then you won't see that it's impossible for it to have been written by any human being.

That doesn't even begin to address the overwhelming spiritual significance between the old and the new testament, including, but not limited to,

1) The significance of the Flood as water baptism
2) The significance of God creating the earth out of water, which even scientists are beginning to see
3) the significance of the second sons being favored over the first like Jesus over Adam, Isaac over Ishmael, Jacob over Esau, etc.
4) the significance of Jewish weddings conforming perfectly to our relationship with God
5) The fact that the sons of Ishmael are doing exactly what the bible says they would do
6) The fact that the Jews are persecuted all over the world and have been since they rejected the messiah as God said he would do
7) The fact that God said he would send them no more prophets since Christ which they haven't had
8) The destruction of the temple in 70 a.d. prophesied by Jesus
9) The 7 day creation compared to the 7 day week
10) The 12 disciples judging the 12 tribes of Israel and the 12 month year
11) That Genesis says "Let us make man in our image" which was written before Christ walked the earth yet includes Christ is that phrase
13) The prophesies of the Jews rejecting the messiah and they now reject Jesus
And so many more correlations, they are endless proves that no fallible human being could have written the bible, much less more than one human being and kept the bible consistent!

So your unbearable ignorance about what the bible says and most importantly about what it means and what it reveals to the world makes you look ridiculous. :rolleyes: I'll include the prophesies that have been fulfilled in another post.

Fulfilled Prophecies Verifying Scripture and God?s Promises
I. Nineveh, Zephaniah 2:13-15 (630 BC); Nahum 3:19 (630 BC)

1. Predictions:
1. Become a desolate wilderness for beasts to lie down in.
2. Totally destroyed and never rebuilt (wound incurable, Nahum 3:19).
2. Background on Nineveh: Nineveh, of course, was the capital city of the Assyrian empire. At the time of the prophecy the empire was in the peak of its power and its defenses were very impressive. Nineveh was unequaled in size of all the ancient cities. The city itself was at least seven miles in circumference with a fortification of three walls separated by two deep ditches making the entire fortification almost a half mile wide. The inner wall was 100 feet tall, 50 feet thick with 200 feet high towers, a 150 foot wide moat and an outer wall of some 200 feet thick.

3. Fulfillment:
1. Even though Nineveh and the Assyrians reached their peak in 663 BC in just 51 years she would fall and never be heard from again. In 614 BC a coalition between the Babylonians and the Medes began to seek destruction of the city. They conquered a number of cities round about Nineveh but were completely unable to make a dent in the mighty fortress of Nineveh. In 612 BC this coalition again laid siege to the city. There were battles fought outside the walls but conquering the city still looked impossible. Inside the city the king and his subjects were completely confident and gave themselves to drinking and feasting. There was a prophecy in the land believed by the king that no enemy would ever take the city unless the river would first become the city?s enemy. The king felt this would never be and therefore felt secure. However, in the spring of 612 heavy rains caused the Tigres river to swell wide and break down a portion of the city walls and flood part of the city. The king, thinking that the afore mentioned prophecy had been completed sealed off his palace and burned the whole thing down. In the meantime the attackers, learning of the break in the wall attacked at this point and took over the city. Further discoveries indicate that they set the city on fire and burned it down.
2. Up until the nineteenth century the desolation of Nineveh had been so complete that the only records of its existence could be found in the scriptures. Many scientists had come to doubt even its existence. It was finally discovered by excavating some 30-45 feet of debris before the Assyrian strata could be discovered. Excavation shows the remains of an intense fire in the soot still permeating the air.

II. Babylon, Isaiah 13:19-22 (740 BC); Jeremiah 51:26, 43 (600 BC)

1. Predictions:
1. To be like Sodom and Gomorrah
2. Never inhabited again
3. Arabs will not pitch tent there
4. Sheepfolds will not be there
5. Desert creatures will infest the area
6. Stones will not be removed for other construction
7. It will not be a place where men visit
8. Covered with swamps of water
2. Background on Babylon: The city of Babylon gained its greatest power and fame in the late seventh and early sixth centuries under Nabopolassar and his son Nebuchadnezzar. The city was divided by the Euphrates river, the western part of the city being surrounded by marshes which prevented all access to it. To this day the Euphrates has a tendency to change its course and lose itself in the marshes. The size and the defenses of Babylon are tremendous. Babylon covered 196 square miles, 56 miles in circumference, with 14 mile sides. The city was surrounded by a 30 foot wide moat and double walls. The outer wall was 311 feet high with 411 foot high towers numbering 250. The wall was 87 feet wide containing 100 gates of solid brass.
3. Fulfillment:
1. When the Persians laid siege to the city in 539 BC they realized immediately that it would be impossible to storm the massive walls of Babylon. The Babylonians from within the walls were laughing and mocking their seemingly helpless enemy. They were so unconcerned that they began carousing at an annual feast to their gods. But at that very moment the Persians were building canals and diverting the waters of the Euphrates river. Once diverted Cyrus led his army in the river bed under the walls of Babylon and took the drunken city virtually without a fight. From that time on the decay of the city began. Later Xerxes plundered. Then Alexander the Great thought to restore but died suddenly in the city. During the period of Alexander?s successors the area decayed rapidly and soon became desert. Under the reign of the Seleucids Babylon was dealt its final blow. Realizing the cost of rebuilding Babylon was too great, the Seleucids constructed the city of Seleucia forty miles north of Babylon on the Tigres river and one by one all commercial interest moved out of Babylon to Seleucia.
2. The historical record of the desolation of Babylon is as follows. During the reign of Augustus Caesar (27 BC?14 AD) the site was described as having become a desert. In 116 AD Trojan described it as mounds and legends of mounds. In 363 AD Emperor Julian destroyed the walls of Babylon which had been partially restored by the Persians who used the area as a hunting preserve.
3. Today the site of Babylon is a naked hideous waste overrun by desert creatures. The lack of vegetation prevents the area from being suitable for pasturing flocks and various superstitions along with the waste of the land prevent the Arabs from pitching tent there. A large part of the old city still lies buried under the swamps created by the Euphrates. In fact, the Babylon of Hammurabi?s day now lies beneath the water table. A great part of the country below Babylon has now been for centuries one great swamp. Concerning the stones upon which the city was built, we find that bricks and building material of many kinds have been salvaged from the ruins for cities round about but the foundation stones that were imported to Babylon at such great cost have never been moved. The chances of these prophecies to have been fulfilled by chance is one in five billion.
4. Final note: It is interesting that the defenses of Babylon and Nineveh were of such magnitude that even during World War I such defenses would have stopped an army cold. The conclusion is this. There is not one wall high enough or thick enough, and no moat deep enough and no defense strong enough to keep out the judgment of God.

III. Tyre, Ezekiel 26:3-14, 21 (593 BC)

1. Predictions:
1. Many nations would come against Tyre, vs. 3
2. She would be made a bare rock, like the top of a rock, vs. 4
3. Fishermen would spread their nets there, vs. 5
4. Her stones, dust and timbers would be thrown in the water, vs. 12
5. Never be rebuilt, vs. 14
6. Never be found again, vs. 21
2. Fulfillment:
1. Nebuchadnezzar sieged the mainland city in 585 BC and continued the siege for 13 years, the city being destroyed in 573 BC. When Nebuchadnezzar finally entered the city, most of the people had moved to an island one-half mile off the coast and fortified a new city there. he city remained a powerful city for several hundred years.
2. Alexander the Great laid siege to the city about 332 BC when they would not cooperate with him in his plans to conquer the Persians. Since Alexander possessed no fleet he demolished the mainland city and with the debris built a 200 foot wide causeway to the new city.
3. The history of Tyre was not complete after Alexander?s conquest though. The island city was rebuilt then destroyed again some 18 years after Alexander?s destruction by Antigonus. Many other countries fought against Tyre until the Moslems laid it in ruins in 1291 AD.
4. At the present the causeway still exists with the site of the mainland city being a bare rock occupied by fishermen. One can still look down into the water and view the granite columns and stone block that once stood on the mainland. A final point of interest needs comment concerning the prophecy. The prophecy seems to be contradictory. On one hand it says that the city would never be found again but on the other hand it says that it would be a place for the spreading of nets. The answer to this is that the wealthy merchant city of Tyre never has been found again. Instead, rising up from the same site is a fishing village which uses the bare rock of the mainland city site to dry their nets. Thus, the prophecy is fulfilled in a most unique way.

IV. Jerusalem And The Cities Of Israel, Deuteronomy 28:49-57 (1500 BC)

1. Predictions: Sieges against Jerusalem and the cities of Judah would result in the Jews eating their own children.
2. Fulfillment: This prophecy was fulfilled in two specific occasions when Jerusalem fell in 586 BC and in 70 AD. In the latter siege by the Romans Joseph (a Jewish historian who sat outside the walls of Jerusalem and wrote of the Roman siege) records for us some horrifying stories. When the Romans came to destroy Jerusalem they were not interested in killing anyone in the city. Everyone was ordered out of the city, but the Jews locked the city up tight determined to save the city at all costs. The Romans waited, and after a number of months the people began to starve because of lack of food. Josephus tells of a woman who was a princess from another city who got caught in the city in the siege. After three months she gave birth to a son. And after three more months because of her hunger she roasted that same son and ate half of him. The Jewish soldiers in the city upon smelling the cooking of the food came in demanding whatever food she had. When she served them her half eaten son they went out of the house sick. And thus God?s prophecy of 1500 years before was fulfilled in a most unique way.

Below is a selection of prophecies in the Bible that found fulfillment in the birth of Jesus the Messiah about 2000 years ago. The commentaries below are copyrighted material belonging to George Konig and Ray Konig, who are the authors of the material. All rights reserved. The material is reprinted below with written permission from George Konig and Ray Konig.

Isaiah foreshadowed the virgin birth of Jesus
Bible prophecy: Isaiah 7:14
Prophecy written: Between 701-681 BC
Prophecy fulfilled: About 5 BC

In Isaiah 7:14, the prophet Isaiah addresses the "house of David," meaning the family and descendants of King David, and speaks of a virgin being pregnant with a child, and giving birth to the child. Isaiah says this in the context of it being a sign from God. He also says that the child would be referred to as "Immanuel," which means, "God with us."

The New Testament books of Matthew and Luke record details involving the birth of Jesus, who was born about 700 years after the time of Isaiah, saying that he was born of the virgin Mary and is the Son of God. Because he is the Son of God, Jesus literally can be referred to as "God with us."

Non-Christian scholars have challenged this interpretation. They say that the Hebrew word "almah," which is the word that Christian Bibles often translate as "virgin," actually means "young maiden" or "young woman." It should be noted that the Old Testament uses the word to refer to young, unmarried women, and that unmarried women were culturally and religiously expected to be virgins. One example can be found in Genesis 24:43, where it speaks of a person being sought as a bride for Isaac. - Copyright ? George Konig, Ray Konig and 100Prophecies.org

Isaiah 7:14:

Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.

The Messiah would be born in Bethlehem
Bible prophecy: Micah 5:1-2
Prophecy written: Sometime between 750-686 BC
Prophecy fulfilled: About 5 BC

In Micah 5:2, there is a prophecy that reveals that Bethlehem would be the birthplace of the Messiah.

As pointed out in the book, 100 Prophecies, by George Konig and Ray Konig: "The prophecy is effective in a simple way: It eliminates all other cities and towns throughout the world as a place in which the Messiah could be born. It narrows the possibilities to one tiny village just south of Jerusalem."

And throughout the span of the past 27 centuries, from the days of the prophet Micah up through the present time, Bethlehem is credited as being the birthplace for only one person who is widely known throughout the world. And that person is Jesus Christ.

The New Testament books of Matthew and Luke name the town of Bethlehem as the birthplace of Jesus. Matthew 2:1-6 describes the birth of Jesus as the fulfillment of Micah's prophecy.

In recent years, however, some non-believers have attempted to discredit Matthew's interpretation of Micah 5:2 by claiming that the prophecy refers to a person named Bethlehem, not a town name Bethlehem. This claim has been widely circulated on the Internet by a college professor who describes himself as a former Christian minister.

The first problem with this claim appears in Micah 5:1. In that verse, the prophet establishes that he is speaking of Bethlehem the town, not Bethlehem the person, by setting up a context in which he contrasts the great city of Jerusalem with the humble town of Bethlehem.

A second problem with the claim is that there is also evidence outside of the Bible that shows that Micah 5:2 was regarded as a Messianic prophecy involving the town of Bethlehem. Here is an excerpt from the Jerusalem Talmud, which is a collection of Judaism-related writings completed about 1600 years ago:

"The King Messiah... from where does he come forth? From the royal city of Bethlehem in Judah." - Jerusalem Talmud, Berakoth 5a. - Copyright ? George Konig, Ray Konig and 100Prophecies.org

Micah 5:1-2:

1 Marshal your troops, O city of troops, for a siege is laid against us. They will strike Israel's ruler on the cheek with a rod.

2 "But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from ancient times."

The Messiah would come from the tribe of Judah
Bible prophecy: Genesis 49:10
Prophecy written: As early as 1400 BC
Prophecy fulfilled: About 5 BC

In Genesis 49:10, Jacob is blessing his 12 sons. This blessing was also a prophecy. Jacob told his son Judah that his descendants would be rulers and that one of his descendants will be an ultimate ruler. According to the NIV translation: "The scepter will not depart from Judah, nor the ruler's staff from between his feet, until he comes to whom it belongs and the obedience of the nations is his." Christians acknowledge that this is a reference to Jesus Christ, whose kingdom will have no end. Jesus was born about 2000 years after Jacob died. Jesus' ancestry is traced back to Jacob's son, Judah, in Luke 3:23-34 and in Matthew 1:1-16. Today, there are some estimates that claim that there are as many as 2 billion Christians worldwide who follow the teachings of Jesus. - Copyright ? George Konig, Ray Konig and 100Prophecies.org

Genesis 49:10:

The scepter will not depart from Judah, nor the ruler's staff from between his feet, until he comes to whom it belongs and the obedience of the nations is his.

The Messiah would be a descendant of King David
Bible prophecy: Jeremiah 23:5
Prophecy written: Sometime between 626-586 BC
Prophecy fulfilled: By the birth of Jesus about 2000 years ago

In Jeremiah 23:5, as well as in other Bible prophecies, we are told that the Messiah would be a descendant of King David.

The New Testament books of Matthew and Luke trace back Jesus' genealogy to King David. (Some scholars believe that the genealogy in Matthew is Jesus' legal line, through his adoptive father, Joseph, and that the genealogy in Luke is Jesus' bloodline through Mary). - Copyright ? George Konig, Ray Konig and 100Prophecies.org

Jeremiah 23:5:

"The days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will raise up to David a righteous Branch, a King who will reign wisely and do what is just and right in the land.

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Bible Prophecies Fulfilled

I started a notebook and looked for "Bible prophecies fulfilled" in history...

The Decree of Cyrus

In about 700 BC, Isaiah names Cyrus as the king who will allow the Israelites to return to Jerusalem and rebuild its Temple. 1 At the time of this prophecy, there was no king named Cyrus and the Temple in Jerusalem was totally built and in full operation.

In 586 BC, more than 100 years later, the Babylonian King "Nebuchadnezzar" sacked Jerusalem and destroyed the temple. The Jews living in Jerusalem were either killed or taken captive to Babylon. 2 In about 539 BC, the Babylonian Empire was conquered by the Persians. Shortly thereafter, a Persian king named Cyrus issued a formal decree that the Jews could return to Jerusalem and rebuild their temple. 3 This decree is confirmed by secular archaeology in the form of a stone cylinder that details many events of Cyrus' reign, including the decree to rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem. 4

Remarkably, Isaiah predicted that a man named Cyrus, who would not be born for about a hundred years, would give a decree to rebuild a city and a temple, which were still standing and fully active at the time!

I had to check more of these out?! Are there more Bible prophecies fulfilled in history...?

The City of Tyre

In 586 BC (confirmed by secular sources as the 11th year of the reign of King Zedekiah of Judah), "Ezekiel" predicts the fall of mainland Tyre to the Babylonian armies of Nebuchadnezzar. 5 The text further describes the siege against the island fortress of Tyre (a half mile off the coast of mainland Tyre) hundreds of years later. Ezekiel's prophecy describes how the future invaders would tear down the ruins of mainland Tyre and throw them into the sea. They would "scrape her dust from her and leave her as the top of a rock". 6 "They will lay your stones, your timber, and your soil in the midst of the water." "I will make you like the top of a rock; you shall be a place for spreading nets." 7

Secular history records that Nebuchadnezzar laid siege to the great mainland city of Tyre about a year after Ezekiel's prophecy. The Encyclopedia Britannica says: "After a 13-year siege (585-573 BC) by Nebuchadnezzar II, Tyre made terms and acknowledged Babylonian suzerainty." 8 When Nebuchadnezzar broke through the city gates, he found it nearly empty. Most of the people had moved by ship to an island about a half mile off the coast and fortified a city there. The mainland city was destroyed in 573 BC (Ezekiel's first prediction), but the city of Tyre on the island remained a powerful city for several hundred years.

Secular history next records that "Alexander the Great" laid siege to the island fortress of Tyre in 332 BC. His army destroyed the remains of mainland Tyre and threw them into the Mediterranean Sea. As Alexander's army constructed a causeway to the island, they scraped even the dust from the mainland city, leaving only bare rock. Historian Phillip Myers in his history textbook, General History for Colleges and High Schools, writes, "Alexander the Great reduced Tyre to ruins in 332 BC. Tyre recovered in a measure from this blow, but never regained the place she had previously held in the world. The larger part of the site of the once great city is now as bare as the top of a rock -- a place where the fishermen that still frequent the spot spread their nets to dry." 9

Wow, this was dramatic stuff - I had no idea?

The City of Samaria

The prophets Hosea (748 - 690 BC) and Micah (738 - 690 BC) each predicted the destruction of Samaria, the capital city of the Northern Kingdom of Israel. Not only did these prophets predict violence and destruction, but they declared that this great city would become "as a heap in the field," with its stones poured down into the valley, and vineyards planted in place of its great walls, with even the foundations being removed. 10

History tells us that Sargon took Samaria by the sword in 722 BC. Later, Alexander took the city violently in 331 BC, as did Hyrcanus in 120 BC. What's remarkable is not the violent demise of Samaria and its people, but rather, some of the historic specifics of what then happened to that once great city.

Reactions upon visiting the ancient spot have been recorded for centuries. In 1697, Henry Maundrell declared: "This great city is now wholly converted into gardens, and all the tokens that remain to testify that there has ever been such a place, are only on the north side?" Floyd Hamilton continues: "To-day the top of the hill where Samaria stood is a cultivated field with the foundations of the columns marking the place where the palaces and mansions stood. At the foot of the hill, in the valley, lie the foundation stones of the city?" 11 Finally, from Van de Velde:

Her foundations discovered, her streets ploughed up, and covered with corn fields and olive gardens? Samaria has been destroyed, but her rubbish has been thrown down into the valley; her foundation stones, those grayish ancient quadrangular stones of the time of Omri and Ahab, are discovered, and lie scattered about on the slope of the hill. 12

For starters.

If the bible contains even one contradiction it can not be said that it is infallible so here are 70 contradictions:


A List Of Biblical Contradictions


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All you have to do is put those verses together and you will see that they do not contradict themselves. Since there are too many false claims of contradictions to list, I'll deal with them as people here bring them up. I saw one of them which is that Jesus died for few, for many and for all. That is not a contradiction. That means that Jesus died for all, but that many will accept his salvation but in relation to how many will not accept it, there will only be few who do. So not only is that not a contradiction, it's extremely specific.

So all unbelievers prove is that they have tunnel vision when reading the bible because they can't see all sides of the meanings of each verse.

So it won't be hard to prove there are no contradictions. But unfortunately, it won't do any good because atheists don't understand the bible anyway. If they did, they'd know why it could only have been written by God.

But even if I refute one contradiction, that's a lot more than you can do about the prophecies that were written down a long time before they were fulfilled.