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Jesus so cruel?
A devotee told that one of his friends asked the following question:

Swami replied; The old parents look very pure because the qualities in them are just sleeping due to their weakness. Similarly in the just born baby the qualities are in dormant stage which are ready for germination and therefore the baby looks pure. A old demon and a devil baby look pure and innocent because of the weak qualities or thoughts, which are precipitated in those souls for the past millions of lives. Due to the weak external atmosphere, which is their physical body, the qualities are just sleeping and they are not really pure. Can you love a sleeping snake? The real purity lies only in Lord Jesus or any other such human incarnation of Lord. Except the Lord and the liberated souls which are top devotees, all other souls are impure by the qualities. Are you loving your son only when he is a baby? Are you not continuing your love when he grows? Therefore your love is on your son and not on his babyhood. Are you loving all the babies and all the old people in the world equally? Therefore Jesus (Human Incarnation) asks you to cut your bonds with your parents and not your bond with their old age. Similarly you have to cut your bond with son and not your bond with their childhood. Actually you have no bonds with old age or childhood. If you have real bonds with old age and child hood, you should be loving all the old people and children in the world with equal intensity. The old age and childhood is only a pretext to cover your blind bonds with your parents and your son.

The parents and children are not loved by you based on their good qualities and devotion also. Even if they have bad qualities and even if they are not devoted to God, you are loving them blindly because they are related to you by the blood of your body. The blood along with the body is buried or burnt after death. Your body is merging with the five elements of this nature after your death. Thus matter of your body enters some other body. Now analyse the meaning of your blood relationship. Jesus gave more importance to devotees than His mother. He told that the devotees are greater than His mother. Sankara left His mother for the sake of God. Prahlada allowed his father to be killed for the sake of the Lord. Buddha left His wife and one year child for the sake of God. Actually God created you and the parental relationships is real in the case of God. The bliss you derive from the Lord is far superior than the momentary happiness you derive from your wife. These relatives cannot protect you accept the Lord. If you analyse, these relationships are proved meaningless, which are illusionary. These bonds are dramatic and are not real. These bonds did not exist before your birth and will not exists after your death. That which did not exist in the past and that which will not exists in the future does not exists in the present also.

Two actors are acting like father and son in a drama. Before and after the drama the father-son bond is unreal. Therefore during the time of drama also they are not really father and son. All the actors were, are and will be the employees of the manager of the drama. This employer-employee relationship with the manager is real and permanent in the case of any actor.

Thus the bond with the creator is only real. Jesus always remembered the creator as His father. At the age of 16 He left all His people for the sake of God for a period of 14 years. Your relationship with God is reality and your relationship with your family members is false. Based on this analysis and knowledge you must vote for God, leaving the family. Thus the love for God is based on reason and not based on blind love. Your family members are just equal to any other fellow human being. The dramatic father or dramatic son is as good as any other actor in the drama. Thus you can love your family members as your fellow human beings. You can serve them because they serve you which is just business. From this angle your family members are different from the outsiders. Your real love must be on the Lord in human form like Jesus and on the other devotees who will help you to improve your divine love.

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@dattaswami cv,

Good post, but I'm concerned that the question was taken out of context and there is always danger in it, not just in the Bible but in any book.

Here is the verse he quoted:
26″If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple. 27And anyone who does not carry his cross and follow me cannot be my disciple. - Luke 14:25-27

It does sounds very harsh isn't . But he needs to read what was happening before that passage. Here how's the story starts. "A man was giving a big dinner, and he invited many; 17and at the dinner hour he sent his slave to say to those who had been invited, 'Come; for everything is ready now.' 18"But they all alike began to make excuses. The first one said to him, 'I have bought a piece of land and I need to go out and look at it; please consider me excused.'

and so on, no one was willing to come because they where busy with their other activities. Here is the image of God who prepared everything and asking people to come but they too busy for God. Jesus finishing the story was saying you need to leave everything and follow me, otherwise you are not my disciple. It doesn't' mean that I will stop calling my parents and leave my wife and children. That's the question of priorities, what's in my heart, what's more important.
In opposite Jesus elevated the relationship of Father and family. Jesus taught as to pray as to Father, and that's a very personal relationship. The Bible speaks that we are part of God's family. All those images are for the reason that we can understand that God is very personal and enjoys our communication as any good father would.

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@marcus cv,

marcus;60080 wrote:

Good post, but I'm concerned that the question was taken out of context and there is always dapersonal and enjoys our communication as any good father would.

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@dattaswami cv,

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Holy Jesus says that one has to carry his own cross (death) for the sake of the Lord. This means that one has to invite his own death with his own hands for the sake of God. Holy Jesus did like this as an ideal example for others.

Rom 6:3 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin.

It's more than just an example. The final goal of your writing is noble, but we can't accomplish it with our own efforts. We are doomed in sin. And there is no incarnation that will solve the problem of sin in our hearts. Also, God being completely Holy can't tolerate even one sin, therefore we are disconnected and lost.
Jesus Christ was not just an example for us how to live, but He who saved us be taking away our sinful nature, something that we couldn't do it ourselves.

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@marcus cv,

marcus;60274 wrote:

Rom 6:3 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin.

It's more than just an example. The final goal of your writing is noble, but we can't accomplish it with our own efforts. We are doomed in sin. And there is no incarnation that will solve the problem of sin in our hearts. Also, God being completely Holy can't tolerate even one sin, therefore we are disconnected and lost.
Jesus Christ was not just an example for us how to live, but He who saved us be taking away our sinful nature, something that we couldn't do it ourselves.

One should care for his wife, children, brothers, parents i.e., his family, more than the society. Family is more important than society. The family loves you more than the society and therefore, you should love your family more than the society. Some people sacrifice their families for the sake of the welfare of society. The family is also a part of society. Infact the family is the best part of the society for an individual.

Jesus said that one should leave all the family members and must even be prepared to carry on his own cross for the sake of Jesus i.e., the human incarnation. He left His parents for the mission of the Lord. He never cared for His mother who came to see Him. When a woman shouted that His mother was sacred because she gave birth to the Lord, Jesus said that the statement was not correct. He told her that the people who follow the word of the Lord are really sacred and not His mother, who just delivered the child like any other woman. This shows the importance of the Lord over family. Jesus gave importance to the Lord who is in an energetic form called as the Father in Heaven. The reason is that He could not give importance to the human incarnation because He Himself was the human incarnation.

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@dattaswami cv,

Small disclaimer: my goal is not to argue your statements but to provide the Biblical view.

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One should care for his wife, children, brothers, parents i.e., his family, more than the society. Family is more important than society. The family loves you more than the society and therefore, you should love your family more than the society.

There is no biblical reference that the family is more important than the society. In fact in Ephesians Chapter 6 relationship between husband and wife, parents and children, masters and slaves are presented on the same level.

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Jesus said that one should leave all the family members and must even be prepared to carry on his own cross for the sake of Jesus i.e., the human incarnation.

Jesus said that everyone should take cross, no exceptions. If you are his, you have a cross of his.

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He left His parents for the mission of the Lord. He never cared for His mother who came to see Him.

It's opposite to be true, we don't find the whole account of his relationship to his mother, but out of 7 recorded statements at his crucifiction, one of them is the provision for his mother.

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When a woman shouted that His mother was sacred because she gave birth to the Lord, Jesus said that the statement was not correct. He told her that the people who follow the word of the Lord are really sacred and not His mother, who just delivered the child like any other woman.

Please provide the Bible reference to that statement.

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This shows the importance of the Lord over family. Jesus gave importance to the Lord who is in an energetic form called as the Father in Heaven. The reason is that He could not give importance to the human incarnation because He Himself was the human incarnation.

Jesus came to die for humans, they must be very important to Him.

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@marcus cv,

marcus;60520 wrote:

Small disclaimer: my goal is not to argue your statements but to provide the Biblical view.

There is no biblical reference that the family is more important than the society. In fact in Ephesians Chapter 6 r.mportant to Him.

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@dattaswami cv,

That's what the Bible says about the relationship to the family "If anyone does not take care of his own relatives, especially his immediate family, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever." 1 Tim 5:8

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@marcus cv,

marcus;61753 wrote:

That's what the Bible says about the relationship to the family "If anyone does not take care of his own relatives, especially his immediate family, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever." 1 Tim 5:8

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