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Holocaust Denial is not just a muslim thing.

 
 
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kynaston
 
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Reply Fri 2 Oct, 2009 11:30 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
The Mother of a colleague of mine was certain that the American claims to have reached the moon were obvious bullshit: lots of peope feel that way about lots of things. The question here is whether the murder of European Jews can be used to justify the nazi takeover of Palestine. Manifestly it can't, manifestly no Muslim (and no sensible person) believes it can, and manifestly no Muslim killed the European Jews. Denying 'the Holocaust' just cuts out the middle term, wrongly but understandably. Fight racism and colonialism everywhere: there is no problem.
Josef cv
 
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Reply Wed 18 Nov, 2009 05:06 am
@kynaston,
kynaston;68587 wrote:
The Mother of a colleague of mine was certain that the American claims to have reached the moon were obvious bull****: lots of peope feel that way about lots of things. The question here is whether the murder of European Jews can be used to justify the nazi takeover of Palestine. Manifestly it can't, manifestly no Muslim (and no sensible person) believes it can, and manifestly no Muslim killed the European Jews. Denying 'the Holocaust' just cuts out the middle term, wrongly but understandably. Fight racism and colonialism everywhere: there is no problem.


Why fight racism? Everyone is racist. If it weren't for colonialism, there would be no America as we know it.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Wed 18 Nov, 2009 05:26 am
@Josef cv,
Josef;69016 wrote:
Why fight racism? Everyone is racist. If it weren't for colonialism, there would be no America as we know it.


colonialism =/= racism
Josef cv
 
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Reply Wed 18 Nov, 2009 07:36 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;69019 wrote:
colonialism =/= racism


Can you define "racism," old sport?
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Wed 18 Nov, 2009 12:17 pm
@Josef cv,
Josef;69020 wrote:
Can you define "racism," old sport?


Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
Josef cv
 
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Reply Thu 19 Nov, 2009 01:30 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;69025 wrote:
Discrimination or prejudice based on race.


And why do you seem to think that is a bad thing?
Josef cv
 
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Reply Thu 19 Nov, 2009 01:50 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;69019 wrote:
colonialism =/= racism


Colonialists are, by definition, superior to those who are indigenous to the colonized lands, or they wouldn't be able to travel to those lands and colonize them.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Thu 19 Nov, 2009 05:39 am
@Josef cv,
Josef;69033 wrote:
Colonialists are, by definition, superior to those who are indigenous to the colonized lands, or they wouldn't be able to travel to those lands and colonize them.


Do you think the brits were superior to colonial americans?
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Thu 19 Nov, 2009 05:41 am
@Josef cv,
Josef;69032 wrote:
And why do you seem to think that is a bad thing?


Because prejudice is an invalid form of evaluation.

Why do you think it's a good thing?
Josef cv
 
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Reply Thu 19 Nov, 2009 06:28 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;69036 wrote:
Do you think the brits were superior to colonial americans?


The colonial Americans were superior to the injuns. Try to keep up, old sport.
Josef cv
 
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Reply Thu 19 Nov, 2009 06:32 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;69037 wrote:
Because prejudice is an invalid form of evaluation.
No it isn't. You are wrong again. Prove your point, Shlomo.

Why do you think it's a good thing?
Did I say that? Please try to comment on what is actually said, Abie. It is neither good nor bad.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Thu 19 Nov, 2009 07:44 am
@Josef cv,
Josef;69039 wrote:
The colonial Americans were superior to the injuns. Try to keep up, old sport.


That's not what i asked.

I said do you thin brits were better than colonial americans?
Josef cv
 
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Reply Thu 19 Nov, 2009 07:46 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;69047 wrote:
That's not what i asked.

I said do you thin brits were better than colonial americans?


Thin Brits are probably healthier than fat Brits.

Why do you ask that?
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Thu 19 Nov, 2009 10:17 am
@Josef cv,
Josef;69048 wrote:
Thin Brits are probably healthier than fat Brits.

Why do you ask that?


Why do you keep evading the question?

Do you think the Brits were superior to colonial Americans, yes or no?
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Thu 19 Nov, 2009 10:23 am
@Josef cv,
Josef;69040 wrote:
Fatal_Freedoms;69037 wrote:
Because prejudice is an invalid form of evaluation.
No it isn't. You are wrong again. Prove your point, Shlomo.

Prejudice

pre = before

judice = judicial; judgment



Prejudice is when a person forms a conclusion before they have gathered any evidence or information (usually about another person). Therefore these conclusions are unreliable and invalid. They are based on presuppositions.


and therefore any action discrimination based on prejudice is by extension also invalid.
Josef cv
 
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Reply Thu 19 Nov, 2009 11:25 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;69055 wrote:
Why do you keep evading the question?

Do you think the Brits were superior to colonial Americans, yes or no?


Why do you keep misspelling and asking questions that aren't germane to the subject? What's wrong with you?
Josef cv
 
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Reply Thu 19 Nov, 2009 11:28 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;69056 wrote:
Josef;69040 wrote:
Fatal_Freedoms;69037 wrote:
Because prejudice is an invalid form of evaluation.
No it isn't. You are wrong again. Prove your point, Shlomo.

Prejudice

pre = before

judice = judicial; judgment



Prejudice is when a person forms a conclusion before they have gathered any evidence or information (usually about another person). Therefore these conclusions are unreliable and invalid. They are based on presuppositions.


and therefore any action discrimination based on prejudice is by extension also invalid.


I base my opinions on experience, old sport, along with facts. Muddies are obviously less than whites. Whatever you are, you make my case. Thanks.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Thu 19 Nov, 2009 02:32 pm
@Josef cv,
Josef;69061 wrote:
Why do you keep misspelling and asking questions that aren't germane to the subject? What's wrong with you?


You're still evading and it's blatantly obvious why.

Your pathetic attempt to avoid a question that points out the contradiction in your own views, is sticking out like a sore thumb.



Allow me to explain:

1. you believe Americans are superior to Brits

but

2. You also believe that colonizers are superior to those that are colonized



X: the contradiction comes when you realize that the Brits colonized what is now America.




But as any person who likes to wallow in ignorance you try to avoid uncomfortable questions that force you to re-examine your beliefs.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Thu 19 Nov, 2009 02:37 pm
@Josef cv,
Josef;69062 wrote:
Fatal_Freedoms;69056 wrote:
Josef;69040 wrote:


I base my opinions on experience, old sport, along with facts. Muddies are obviously less than whites.


Well perhaps you can show this to me, instead of making bald assertions. What "facts" do you have to support your position?

Quote:

Whatever you are, you make my case. Thanks.


Based on the facts that you can't answer simple questions, you're really in no position to claim superiority to anybody.

And from what I've gathered people who have accomplished very little themselves like to cling to the accomplishments of people like themselves as to make themselves feel better about their lack of achievement.
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