Question for you

Would you deny your beliefs to save your life, (whatever they may be)?

like if you are a believer and the only way you could live was to deny the existance of god, would you do it?

-or-

If you are an atheist would you claim belief in a god to save your life, would you do it?

If you are talking about Christians, if you are a believer, you profess Christ as your savior as a condition and external sign of your belief. Denying Christ leads to eternal death.

Of course I bloody would, I don't believe in God, if someone put a gun against my head and said 'If you don't believe you don't walk out here alive' what you think i going to do?
'Of course I believe' It ain't like i am going to get struck down. My life is worth more than being truthful in that situation, my natural instinct for survival kicks in, you do what you need to,...simple as.

then, why don't you just answer no?

"Ditto. Sacrifices are worth making for worthwhile causes:

- To save a child: Good reason to die.

- To save a life: reasonably good reason to die.

- To save mankind: Hmm.....

- To save a species: Good reason to die...."

Who says? Where did you get those values?

Who says? Where did you get those values?

Definitely not from monotheist nonsense.

I was taught that to be moral and kind to all sentient beings, to not harm anyone, to not tell lies, to help those less fortunate than oneself, to protect children with ones life if need be, to study hard and educate oneself for one's own growth and so as to contribute towards the betterment of this planet, all of these were a requirement of my being an intelligent human being and not because some man-made god would punish me otherwise.

In short, be good for the sake of being good, not because some god is watching over you. Hows that for values?

sorry i do not know the name of the Jewish faith book

The Torah

Certainly not from the Bible/ Koran (sorry i do not know the name of the Jewish faith book) I am guessing.

You need to get away from believing that our morals come from religous books.

If they did we would still be stonning scientists, burning people who practise homeopathic medicine as witches, raping women would be the norm and all non believers would be exicuted on site.

SO PLEASE DON'T GO DOWN THAT ROUTE!

...In short, be good for the sake of being good, not because some god is watching over you. Hows that for values?

Pretty damn good if you ask me. And not a 1700 year old book insight,..truely amazing that.

Though you know you are now destined for hell for leading such a proactive and positive life.

The Bible includes the Jewish Torah. That is the book you didn't know the name of.

Read a little more. You are painting all "religions" with the same brush.

Were you born and raised on an island? If not, then someone taught you your values. If you are in the USA and grew up here, for the most part you received teaching from your parents and society based on the Judeo-Christian ethic. The values you are proud of have their origin in the Bible.

You refer to hell as an undesirable place to be. You accept that it is real in some manner or you wouldn't refer to it and mock it.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Again, what is your standard for good? If you are English, then you have the same basis for values as we do here in the USA unless you reject them in favor of being a druid or pagan.