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Reply Thu 28 Jun, 2007 12:37 am
People who deny religion deny its principles based on faith without logic but in all instances every human being has faith in the most obvious of things. We all have faith that the other person we talk to or associate with or love has self awareness. There is no way on this earth that any one person can prove to anyone else they have self awareness. It is simply impossible. It is as impossible as proving that a machine capable of learning from its past attempts at a given task, has self awareness, or that an animal has self awareness, or a bacterium. Some cultures believed everything had self awareness and spirits, such as the Native Americans. Some religious beliefs today deny that anything but humans have souls (the essence of Self Awareness).

To believe the person you care about is as self aware of themselves as you are of yourself is purely based on faith, because self awareness has nothing to do with intelligence, or emotion, or senses (to a large degree). No one knows truly with what it has to do.
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Reagaknight
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jun, 2007 06:45 am
@The Last Cathedral,
:thumbup: You're really in the Vatican?
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Thu 28 Jun, 2007 08:01 am
@The Last Cathedral,
Nope, somewhere USA.

Good point there TLC.
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Reagaknight
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jun, 2007 04:38 pm
@The Last Cathedral,
I meant The Last Cathedral.
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2007 01:22 pm
@The Last Cathedral,
Yes i know, as per his IP address.
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Reagaknight
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2007 01:23 pm
@The Last Cathedral,
Oh, so you checked out his IP address?

Tsk, tsk, TLC.

EDIT: I missed your last post.
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2007 01:36 pm
@The Last Cathedral,
USA all the way. I missed yours as well. Didn't see it till today.
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Mon 9 Jul, 2007 03:40 pm
@The Last Cathedral,
I know what kind of 'faith' Osama Bin Laden has, and I don't think much of it. As to his 'self-awareness' -- I'd like to completely eliminate it for him.
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mako cv
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jul, 2007 12:09 pm
@The Last Cathedral,
No, not really?faith implies certitude even where there is no evidence or proof ; whereas belief is conviction of the truth based on examination of evidence (belief can be used as a synonym of faith but only when implying the acceptance of a group of religious tenets or implying trust in a person or organization) . Notice the difference there? Faith ? no evidence, Belief ? evidence?
Anything based on faith is, at best, on shaky ground and more times than not a false assumption. Any religion that requires faith because of a dearth of evidence for it?s validity is most often a man-made construct with no real benefit for mankind other than lending psychological support to it?s weakest members.
On the other hand, belief with it?s dependency on evidence, is more likely to be a truism.
A friend of mine that was once a missionary used to tell me that I was displaying faith every time I sat down on a certain wall to converse with him. Faith that the wall would not crumble and collapse under me. My answer was that evidence from a cursory visual examination as I walked up coupled with the past experience of this wall supporting my weight gave credence to my belief that the wall would hold up under my weight again. At the worse, I would be taking a calculated risk. :patriot:
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jul, 2007 05:00 pm
@The Last Cathedral,
Reason + Faith = Natural Law (Aristotle)

Nature (Reason) + Grace (Faith) = Spiritual Wholeness (Aquinas)
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