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End time. Will God fail again as in the end time of Noah?s day?

List of attempts to get thing right even as scripture says that all of God?s works are perfect.

Heaven and angels.-------------God creates perfect angels and finds iniquity in Satan.
It is said that God is the creator of all things. This would include iniquity.
How could iniquity appear in Satan if God did not place this in him?

Earth and man.-------------------God creates a perfect man and woman.
These perfect entities rebel against God?s command.
Rebellion was also created by God.
All that God creates has purpose. Why punish man for wanting the moral
sense that comes from the knowledge of good and evil. Can man be
complete without a moral sense when both God and the Church work hard
to help us develop one?

Earth and man again after Noah. To restart His initial failed system where evil and sin had been born, God
destroys the world with a genocidal flood and restarts with supposedly
pure good stock in Noah and his kin. Evil and sin reemerge again
somehow.

End time judgment.----------------God seems to have failed to date to keep evil and sin out of man. We are
even told that it is in our God given nature and that evil and sin is created
by God. Some scripture even indicate that God wants man to sin so that
he can repent which seems to be a requirement to get into heaven. I
find this to be a logical position for God to take if all that He creates, in
terms of sin and evil, are to serve His purposes. This would mean that we
have learned our moral lesson and can recognize the good and evil within
us. This also allows God to save all of us as any loving God with access
to miracles would do.

We then see three attempts that have not turned out the way, it seems, that God wants.

My question, then to believers in a literal Bible especially and whoever else would like to comment are--

What makes you think that God will get it right the next time when He has failed at least 3 times in the past?

If God?s works are perfect then are we living in a perfect state and God does not have to return to fix what, as perfect, cannot be broken and follows it?s perfect nature?

For literal readers of scripture I offer as back up for God perfection and perfect works a quote and also a quote showing that it is God?s will that none be lost while at the same time the above shows clearly that His will is not being done.

Deuteronomy 32:4
He is the Rock, his work is perfect:

2 Peter 3:9 KJ
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Regards
DL

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Greatest I am;68626 wrote:

End time. Will God fail again as in the end time of Noah?s day?

List of attempts to get thing right even as scripture says that all of God?s works are perfect.

Heaven and angels.-------------God creates perfect angels and finds iniquity in Satan.
It is said that God is the creator of all things. This would include iniquity.
How could iniquity appear in Satan if God did not place this in him?

Earth and man.-------------------God creates a perfect man and woman.
These perfect entities rebel against God?s command.
Rebellion was also created by God.
All that God creates has purpose. Why punish man for wanting the moral
sense that comes from the knowledge of good and evil. Can man be
complete without a moral sense when both God and the Church work hard
to help us develop one?

Earth and man again after Noah. To restart His initial failed system where evil and sin had been born, God
destroys the world with a genocidal flood and restarts with supposedly
pure good stock in Noah and his kin. Evil and sin reemerge again
somehow.

End time judgment.----------------God seems to have failed to date to keep evil and sin out of man. We are
even told that it is in our God given nature and that evil and sin is created
by God. Some scripture even indicate that God wants man to sin so that
he can repent which seems to be a requirement to get into heaven. I
find this to be a logical position for God to take if all that He creates, in
terms of sin and evil, are to serve His purposes. This would mean that we
have learned our moral lesson and can recognize the good and evil within
us. This also allows God to save all of us as any loving God with access
to miracles would do.

We then see three attempts that have not turned out the way, it seems, that God wants.

My question, then to believers in a literal Bible especially and whoever else would like to comment are--

What makes you think that God will get it right the next time when He has failed at least 3 times in the past?

If God?s works are perfect then are we living in a perfect state and God does not have to return to fix what, as perfect, cannot be broken and follows it?s perfect nature?

For literal readers of scripture I offer as back up for God perfection and perfect works a quote and also a quote showing that it is God?s will that none be lost while at the same time the above shows clearly that His will is not being done.

Deuteronomy 32:4
He is the Rock, his work is perfect:

2 Peter 3:9 KJ
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Regards
DL

God gave all of his creation free will. And with that free will His creation choose to sin against Him. God did not create robots. He created beings with the able to choose between good or evil. Don't blame God for our bad choices.

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@Campbell34,

Campbell34;69562 wrote:

God gave all of his creation free will. And with that free will His creation choose to sin against Him. God did not create robots. He created beings with the able to choose between good or evil. Don't blame God for our bad choices.

If that is the case, what happened to the free choice of those in Noah's day?

Was God an Indian giver?

Free will is something that is taken. It cannot be given.

You have the freedom to kill right now if you wish.
You do not TAKE that freedom so freedom cannot be given to someone who does not want to take it.

As to the free will that you see God giving man; Is do it my way or burn forever a free choice?

I call that freedom more of a threat and coercion than a free choice.

If you tell your child that he is free to make his bed or not but if he does not he is grounded for a month are you giving him a free choice or is it coercion to do as YOU want?

Rethink where your freedom of choice comes from.

Regards
DL

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@Greatest I am cv,

Greatest I am;69600 wrote:

If that is the case, what happened to the free choice of those in Noah's day?

Was God an Indian giver?

Free will is something that is taken. It cannot be given.

You have the freedom to kill right now if you wish.
You do not TAKE that freedom so freedom cannot be given to someone who does not want to take it.

As to the free will that you see God giving man; Is do it my way or burn forever a free choice?

I call that freedom more of a threat and coercion than a free choice.

If you tell your child that he is free to make his bed or not but if he does not he is grounded for a month are you giving him a free choice or is it coercion to do as YOU want?

Rethink where your freedom of choice comes from.

Regards
DL

In Noahs day, God was nolonger dealing with people who were fully human. Fallen angles had married into the human race, and it appears humans allowed this to happen. Yet, their offspring was something less than human. The Bible tells us the human race became very evil, and as a result of this unholy union, it's offspring became giants and acted out even greater evil. Historical discovery show us that such a race did exist, yet this evidence is ignored by most in science, and it seems such evidence often disappears. The link below displays a small amount of this evidence.

Remians of the Giants

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@Campbell34,

Campbell34;69624 wrote:

In Noahs day, God was nolonger dealing with people who were fully human. Fallen angles had married into the human race, and it appears humans allowed this to happen. Yet, their offspring was something less than human. The Bible tells us the human race became very evil, and as a result of this unholy union, it's offspring became giants and acted out even greater evil. Historical discovery show us that such a race did exist, yet this evidence is ignored by most in science, and it seems such evidence often disappears. The link below displays a small amount of this evidence.

Remians of the Giants

The sons of God and the daughters of men etc.

Why do you think God would allow the earth to be used by His sons as a brothel and breeding ground, knowing that if He did allow it, He would have to gain the title of genocidal idiot.

Cause and effect. No breeding = no genocidal maniac as a new name.

Regards
DL

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@Greatest I am cv,

Greatest I am;68626 wrote:

End time. Will God fail again as in the end time of Noah?s day?

List of attempts to get thing right even as scripture says that all of God?s works are perfect.

Heaven and angels.-------------God creates perfect angels and finds iniquity in Satan.
It is said that God is the creator of all things. This would include iniquity.
How could iniquity appear in Satan if God did not place this in him?

Earth and man.-------------------God creates a perfect man and woman.
These perfect entities rebel against God?s command.
Rebellion was also created by God.
All that God creates has purpose. Why punish man for wanting the moral
sense that comes from the knowledge of good and evil. Can man be
complete without a moral sense when both God and the Church work hard
to help us develop one?

Earth and man again after Noah. To restart His initial failed system where evil and sin had been born, God
destroys the world with a genocidal flood and restarts with supposedly
pure good stock in Noah and his kin. Evil and sin reemerge again
somehow.

End time judgment.----------------God seems to have failed to date to keep evil and sin out of man. We are
even told that it is in our God given nature and that evil and sin is created
by God. Some scripture even indicate that God wants man to sin so that
he can repent which seems to be a requirement to get into heaven. I
find this to be a logical position for God to take if all that He creates, in
terms of sin and evil, are to serve His purposes. This would mean that we
have learned our moral lesson and can recognize the good and evil within
us. This also allows God to save all of us as any loving God with access
to miracles would do.

We then see three attempts that have not turned out the way, it seems, that God wants.

My question, then to believers in a literal Bible especially and whoever else would like to comment are--

What makes you think that God will get it right the next time when He has failed at least 3 times in the past?

If God?s works are perfect then are we living in a perfect state and God does not have to return to fix what, as perfect, cannot be broken and follows it?s perfect nature?

For literal readers of scripture I offer as back up for God perfection and perfect works a quote and also a quote showing that it is God?s will that none be lost while at the same time the above shows clearly that His will is not being done.

Deuteronomy 32:4
He is the Rock, his work is perfect:

2 Peter 3:9 KJ
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Regards
DL

The Jehovah's Witnesses , Their entire doctrine is based on False Prophecies Lies and Freemasonry , Most of the leaders during the 1920s and 1930s were either Freemasons or involved in Secret Societies , Both Charles T. Russell . The founder of The Jehovah's Witnesses as well as Joseph Rutherford , His successor belonged to a Secret Societies .

If you LQQk back on some of The Old Document . Such as The Magazine The Watchtower '' that was published by The Jehovah's Witnesses you will see Symbols and Emblem that shows Their Affiliation . ( Symbol Of The Knights Of Templar Also Symbol As Used On Their First Publications Of The Watchtower Called Zions Watch Tower ..... Joseph Franklin Rutherford ( 1869 A.D. - 1942 A.D. Also Charles T . Russell 1882-1916 A.D. )

Charles T . Russell organized his own Bible study class with a small group of associates . He elected himself Pastor and was called '' Pastor Russell . He was the First President of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society Of Pennsylvania . Becoming convinced of Jesus's coming . He began to preach and and spread his teaching and in 1879 A.D. He founded The Wactch Tower Journal . Russell who claimed to be The 7th Angel Mentioned In Revelation 10-7 , 11;15 , And 16;17 , However he died on October 31,1916 A.D. Before he die he made many predictions of the ...

End coming In 1874 A.D. , 1876A.D. 1914 A.D. ,1916 A.D. 1918A.D. 1972A.D. 1975A.D. All of which None as you can see , Never came true . He claimed that Jehovah gave him word of This End Each Time . He was simply saying his God who created the Heavens and Earth and Everything in it , Couldn't make up his mind when he wanted the world to end .

With all of The False Predictions that he made . His congregation had lost their faith because their doctrine was no longer making sense . So they fell apart . After a number of false Predictions . Joseph F. Rutherford , Being A Shrewd Businessman came up with this Million Man Scheme . And that is when they had their Millions Campaign In Washington D.C. As A Ploy To Re-Unite The Followers .

In 1918 A.D. The Jehovah's Witnesses Had A Millions Campaign with the release of A Book called '' Millions Now Living Will Never Die '' . That wasn't published until 1920 A,D, By Joseph F. Rutherford ( 1869 - 1942 A.D. ) . He came to power in 1917 A.D. After their former leader Charles T . Russell Died In 1882-1916 A.D. ) ..

The purpose of The Million Campaign '' . As it was called . Was to gather A Million Jehovahs Witnesses after their Prophecy Of The End Of The World Failed And Their Prophecy Than Abraham , Isaac , And Jacob Would Resurrect Into Human Form In 1925 A.D. And Live On Earth In A Mansion In San Diego California Called Beth Sarim , '' House Of Princes '' Which By They Way Never Happened .

The original leader , Charles T . Russell Died October 31 , 1916 A.D. ) .. As A Freemason he was Buried Under A Pyramid - Like Stone Which Bore The Symbol Of The Knights Of Templar Which Is A Crown With A Cross In It All Of The Leader From Those Days Were A Part Of Mystical Orders .

Half of The Jehovah's Witnessestoday don't even know the event that went on . They don't know about that mansion in San Diego California . They don't even know about The Millions Campaign or The Real History Of The Jehovah's Witnesses. Go Do Your Research . You Will Be Amazed At What You Will Find .

Charles Taze Russell Was Also Considered A Christ . Russell Claimed To Be The Seventh Angel Mentioned In Revelation . He Predicted The End Of The World Several Times ! 1874 A.D. 1876 A.D. 1914A.D. 1916 A.D. And 1918 A.D. Each Time Stating That Word Came To Him From The Creator Whom He Called Jehovah . He Was A '' Fake Christ ''

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@Greatest I am cv,

Greatest I am;69649 wrote:

The sons of God and the daughters of men etc.

Why do you think God would allow the earth to be used by His sons as a brothel and breeding ground, knowing that if He did allow it, He would have to gain the title of genocidal idiot.

Cause and effect. No breeding = no genocidal maniac as a new name.

Regards
DL

God has given His creation free will. And with that free will man often uses it for evil, rather than good. God has placed in each one of us the ability to choose good over evil. And it appears even you would rather blame God, then to look at it as man's failing. Why is it, that so many never want to take responsibility for the actions of mankind? So many always want to blame God when it is obvious, it was man that was in error.

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@Campbell34,

Campbell34;69657 wrote:

God has given His creation free will. And with that free will man often uses it for evil, rather than good. God has placed in each one of us the ability to choose good over evil. And it appears even you would rather blame God, then to look at it as man's failing. Why is it, that so many never want to take responsibility for the actions of mankind? So many always want to blame God when it is obvious, it was man that was in error.

God And The Devil Need Each Other To Exist ! Meaning Everytime Something Good Happen People Of Religion Says God Did It , And Everytime Something Bad Happen The Devil Did It . So Devil And God Needs Each Other To Exist .

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@Campbell34,

Campbell34;69657 wrote:

God has given His creation free will. And with that free will man often uses it for evil, rather than good. God has placed in each one of us the ability to choose good over evil. And it appears even you would rather blame God, then to look at it as man's failing. Why is it, that so many never want to take responsibility for the actions of mankind? So many always want to blame God when it is obvious, it was man that was in error.

One has to believe in God to blame Him for anything.

I do not believe in such a loser as bible God.

Who is quicker than Christians in shedding responsibility by advocating the vicarious redemption of Jesus as a moral thing?

What do they say about a log in your eye.

As to free will, the free will that Bible God offers is not free will at all.
My way or burn forever is not free will, it is a threat.

Regardless of that fact. free will cannot be given. It is something that can only be taken.
Any person of thought knows this.

Regards
DL

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@Greatest I am cv,

YuhannaEl

Thanks for the B S.

Regards
DL

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@Greatest I am cv,

Greatest I am;69661 wrote:

YuhannaEl

Thanks for the B S.

Regards
DL

To Desire - Security - Is A - Sign - Of - Inseceurity ,

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@Greatest I am cv,

Greatest I am;69600 wrote:

If that is the case, what happened to the free choice of those in Noah's day?

Was God an Indian giver?

Free will is something that is taken. It cannot be given.

You have the freedom to kill right now if you wish.
You do not TAKE that freedom so freedom cannot be given to someone who does not want to take it.

As to the free will that you see God giving man; Is do it my way or burn forever a free choice?

I call that freedom more of a threat and coercion than a free choice.

If you tell your child that he is free to make his bed or not but if he does not he is grounded for a month are you giving him a free choice or is it coercion to do as YOU want?

Rethink where your freedom of choice comes from.

Regards
DL

In Noah's day, God was not dealing with a world that was fully human anymore. Humans had sexual relations with fallen angels, which resulted in a race of monsters. Noah and his family were the only one's left that still had a pure human blood line.

If you do not have Christ in your life, you will go to Hell according to the Scriptures. And that will be your choice, based on your free will. Now you may not like the options, but that's your problem, not God's.

Well, I know that an Atheist by the name of Howard Storm did a rethink of his free choice after a near death experience, and what happened to him was so frightening he became a Christian Minister of the Gospel. His story is found in the link below.

YouTube - Atheist Howard Storm's Near Death Experience

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@Greatest I am cv,

Campbell34

Ya ya. Monsters. Ya ya.

Do you also believe in Santa?

Give your head a shake and come to REALITY and grow up.

Do you really believe in talking snakes and donkeys?

Regards
DL

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@Greatest I am cv,

Greatest I am;69819 wrote:

Campbell34

Ya ya. Monsters. Ya ya.

Do you also believe in Santa?

Give your head a shake and come to REALITY and grow up.

Do you really believe in talking snakes and donkeys?

Regards
DL

Well many years ago, God spoke to me out of thin air and told me to pary for a job. And as soon as I prayed and said Amen. And while I was still on my knees, the phone next to me began to ring. The man on the other end of the line asked if I could start work for his company the next Monday morning. So yes, I do believe in talking snakes and donkeys. Especially if God is allowing it to happen.LOL

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@Campbell34,

Campbell34;69838 wrote:

Well many years ago, God spoke to me out of thin air and told me to pary for a job. And as soon as I prayed and said Amen. And while I was still on my knees, the phone next to me began to ring. The man on the other end of the line asked if I could start work for his company the next Monday morning. So yes, I do believe in talking snakes and donkeys. Especially if God is allowing it to happen.LOL

Aren't you just so special.
Isn't that nice for you to get a job while thousands die daily of starvation.

Fantasy is nice.

Satan spoke to you not a God.

How would you know the difference?
Satan, the great deceiver strikes again.

Regards
DL

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@Greatest I am cv,

Greatest I am;69908 wrote:

Aren't you just so special.
Isn't that nice for you to get a job while thousands die daily of starvation.

Fantasy is nice.

Satan spoke to you not a God.

How would you know the difference?
Satan, the great deceiver strikes again.

Regards
DL

Satan is a mocker, and he uses his people to mock believers in Christ. The God of the Bible always lifts His people up. It is Satan that tries to tear them down. On another occasion, God spoke to me when I was on my way home from work. I was praying and thanking God for my life, when right in the middle of a sentence God spoke to me again and said. "Your wife is going to have a child." I was working the 4 to 12 shift at the time. And right after God spoke to me, I tried to get home in time before my wife went to bed. Yet by the time I got home, she was already asleep. I recall leaning on the door and thinking, my poor wife, she is pregnant and does not even know it. I then went to bed, and I though I would tell here in the morning. Yet about three hours later, I discovered my wife in the bathroom, she was trying to throw up. As it turned out, she was pregnant.

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@Campbell34,

Campbell34;69935 wrote:

Satan is a mocker, and he uses his people to mock believers in Christ. The God of the Bible always lifts His people up. It is Satan that tries to tear them down. On another occasion, God spoke to me when I was on my way home from work. I was praying and thanking God for my life, when right in the middle of a sentence God spoke to me again and said. "Your wife is going to have a child." I was working the 4 to 12 shift at the time. And right after God spoke to me, I tried to get home in time before my wife went to bed. Yet by the time I got home, she was already asleep. I recall leaning on the door and thinking, my poor wife, she is pregnant and does not even know it. I then went to bed, and I though I would tell here in the morning. Yet about three hours later, I discovered my wife in the bathroom, she was trying to throw up. As it turned out, she was pregnant.

One would think that if God was to micro manage and give facts, He would chose facts that will not be apparent in a short while.

Rather a waste of His good time.

Regards
DL

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@Greatest I am cv,

Greatest I am;69955 wrote:

One would think that if God was to micro manage and give facts, He would chose facts that will not be apparent in a short while.

Rather a waste of His good time.

Regards
DL

God often reveals facts to His people to build up their faith in Him. And that would not be a waste of Gods time. It appears to me, the more one reaches out to Christ, the more obvious He becomes.

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@Campbell34,

The Real Question Here Should Be How Many ( End Times ) Are They ?

The Jehovah's Witnesses , Their entire doctrine is based on False Prophecies Lies and Freemasonry , Most of the leaders during the 1920s and 1930s were either Freemasons or involved in Secret Societies , Both Charles T. Russell . The founder of The Jehovah's Witnesses as well as Joseph Rutherford , His successor belonged to a Secret Societies .

If you LQQk back on some of The Old Document . Such as The Magazine The Watchtower '' that was published by The Jehovah's Witnesses you will see Symbols and Emblem that shows Their Affiliation . ( Symbol Of The Knights Of Templar Also Symbol As Used On Their First Publications Of The Watchtower Called Zions Watch Tower ..... Joseph Franklin Rutherford ( 1869 A.D. - 1942 A.D. Also Charles T . Russell 1882-1916 A.D. )

Charles T . Russell organized his own Bible study class with a small group of associates . He elected himself Pastor and was called '' Pastor Russell . He was the First President of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society Of Pennsylvania . Becoming convinced of Jesus's coming . He began to preach and and spread his teaching and in 1879 A.D. He founded The Wactch Tower Journal . Russell who claimed to be The 7th Angel Mentioned In Revelation 10-7 , 11;15 , And 16;17 , However he died on October 31,1916 A.D. Before he die he made many predictions of the ...

End coming In 1874 A.D. , 1876A.D. 1914 A.D. ,1916 A.D. 1918A.D. 1972A.D. 1975A.D. All of which None as you can see , Never came true . He claimed that Jehovah gave him word of This End Each Time . He was simply saying his God who created the Heavens and Earth and Everything in it , Couldn't make up his mind when he wanted the world to end .

With all of The False Predictions that he made . His congregation had lost their faith because their doctrine was no longer making sense . So they fell apart . After a number of false Predictions . Joseph F. Rutherford , Being A Shrewd Businessman came up with this Million Man Scheme . And that is when they had their Millions Campaign In Washington D.C. As A Ploy To Re-Unite The Followers .

In 1918 A.D. The Jehovah's Witnesses Had A Millions Campaign with the release of A Book called '' Millions Now Living Will Never Die '' . That wasn't published until 1920 A,D, By Joseph F. Rutherford ( 1869 - 1942 A.D. ) . He came to power in 1917 A.D. After their former leader Charles T . Russell Died In 1882-1916 A.D. ) ..

The purpose of The Million Campaign '' . As it was called . Was to gather A Million Jehovahs Witnesses after their Prophecy Of The End Of The World Failed And Their Prophecy Than Abraham , Isaac , And Jacob Would Resurrect Into Human Form In 1925 A.D. And Live On Earth In A Mansion In San Diego California Called Beth Sarim , '' House Of Princes '' Which By They Way Never Happened .

The original leader , Charles T . Russell Died October 31 , 1916 A.D. ) .. As A Freemason he was Buried Under A Pyramid - Like Stone Which Bore The Symbol Of The Knights Of Templar Which Is A Crown With A Cross In It All Of The Leader From Those Days Were A Part Of Mystical Orders .

Half of The Jehovah's Witnessestoday don't even know the event that went on . They don't know about that mansion in San Diego California . They don't even know about The Millions Campaign or The Real History Of The Jehovah's Witnesses. Go Do Your Research . You Will Be Amazed At What You Will Find .

Charles Taze Russell Was Also Considered A Christ . Russell Claimed To Be The Seventh Angel Mentioned In Revelation . He Predicted The End Of The World Several Times ! 1874 A.D. 1876 A.D. 1914A.D. 1916 A.D. And 1918 A.D. Each Time Stating That Word Came To Him From The Creator Whom He Called Jehovah . He Was A '' Fake Christ ''

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@Campbell34,

Campbell34;70029 wrote:

God often reveals facts to His people to build up their faith in Him. And that would not be a waste of Gods time. It appears to me, the more one reaches out to Christ, the more obvious He becomes.

Mark 10 v 18 "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good?except God alone.

Hebrews 5:8
Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

Christ is a sinner.

Do not settle for a chimera half breed God when the real God awaits.

To think that God would want us to follow a chimera God breed from an act of bestiality is just too droll to contemplate.

You go with your chimera, I follow our real Godhead.

Regards
DL

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