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Was Eve justified in eating of the tree of knowledge?

 
 
Reply Fri 14 Aug, 2009 04:24 am
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Numpty
 
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Reply Fri 14 Aug, 2009 06:43 am
@Greatest I am cv,
No tree, no talking snake, no Eve,...simples.
Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Fri 14 Aug, 2009 09:56 am
@Numpty,
Well according to christian theology god knew she would eat from the tree, and in fact she had to for jesus to come.

I think it's safe to say the story is simply a parable, rather than a true event.

So asking me whether I believe she should have done it is like asking me if I think neo should've taken the red pill or the blue pill.
YuhannaEl
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jan, 2010 10:06 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;68030 wrote:
Well according to christian theology god knew she would eat from the tree, and in fact she had to for jesus to come.

I think it's safe to say the story is simply a parable, rather than a true event.

So asking me whether I believe she should have done it is like asking me if I think neo should've taken the red pill or the blue pill.




At This Point I Must Make It Clear That The Name Nakhash - Aramic - Being Used For Serpent Simply Means A Whisperer . The Word Serpent Is A Derivative Of Seraph - Aramic - Meaning 'Burning , Fire ' Seraphim - Aramic - Meaning 'Firty Serpent ' , A Symbol Of Protection , To The House Of The Most High , Those That Were There To Serve Yahweh , As Used By Moses In Numbers 21 ; 9 , Where You'll Find The Word Serpent Yet In Hebrew Nakhash - Aramic - To Protect The Children Of Israel In Their Travel Through The Wilderness Out Of Egypt , Where It Is Called A Uraeus , Or Cobra , Representing The Goddess Radjet , A Symbol Also Born By The Egyptian Deities Amun -Ra And Har ( Horus ) , And Has Been Adopted As The Caudesus , Used As A Symbol Of Health , And Called The Kundalint , The Sleeping Serpent . Also Read Genesis 3 ; 1 . .

The Some Christians Claim That Eve Ate Of The Apple Of The Tree In The Enclosed Garden , However If You Look At The Quote Genesid 3 ; 2 , It Says ; '' ... We May Eat Of The < Feree > Fruit Of The < Ates > Trees Of The Garden , .... And The Aramic Hebrew Word Used For Fruit Is < Feree > Meaning ' Fruit , Offspring , Produce Of The Ground . This Is Not The Same As The Word Used In Song Of Solomon 2 ; 3 , Where It Says ; As The < Taffooak > Apple Tree Among The Trees Of The Wood ...

And The Word Used Here Is < Taffooak > Meaning ' Apple Tree . In Ashuric ( Arabic ) It Is Tufaha . This Word Is Not Used Anywhere In The Torah . When It Mentions The < Feree > Fruit Of The Tree In Genesis Chapter 3 , It Has Nothing To Do With An Apple . Yet , The Fruit Of This Garden Was Called An Apple For The Well Known < Rimmown > -Aramic - Prmegranate Apple Worn On The Kohane Priest Robe In Exodus 28 ; 30 - 34 And Exodus 39 ; 26 . This Symbplic Apple At The End Of The < Meheel > - Aramic - Robe Was A Poppy Seed Also Called < Qat -Arabic - The Pomegranate Resembles The Poppy Seed And Is An Intoxicant Producting A Flower That Is Yellow , Rose Pink , Scarlet , Red , Orange Or White , That Is Pleasant To The Eye As Well . The Poppy Seed Is Also Used As Food . It Is Used As Flavoring And Yields A Oil To Make It Good , And Then The Poppy Seed Is Transformed Into Opium , That Eludes One Into Thinking They Are Wise , Genesis 3 ; 6 . This Is How The Name Apple Got Confused With The Pomegranate Apple Of That Day Which Is A Replica In Appearance To The Poppy Plant . Also Read Genesis 3 ; 3 - 5

Partaking Of The Tree Of Lust Refer To Genesis 3 ; 6 . In Genesis 2 ; 7 Qadmon , Called Also Adam , Or Zakar , And Nekaybow , Called Also Hawwah , Or Eve , < Ahyin > 'Eyes Because < Fawkakh > Open , And They Became Aware . Their Private Parts Were There , But Nudity Was Not Looked At As Shame , Except In The Land Of Nud , Which Is Nod In Aramic ( Hebrew ) . The Moment They Got Intoxicated , They Both Inherited Stimulation ; That's Why They Say , '' And They Knew That They Were Without Clothes '' . Qadmon Adam , Or Zakar Had Got An Erection , And Nekaybow ,Hawwah , Eve's Mammilla Teat That Is The Nipples Of Her Areoli , Mammaries Erected , Thus They Began Lusting After Each Other . The Eloheem Wanted To Raise Adam And Eve To A Certain Age And Prepare Them Before They Would Have Children , So There Wouldn't Be No Imbalancement Or Defects . Now That They Took Of The Intoxicating Fruit Of The Tree, Their Eyes Became Open .

Now , Notice Their Eyes Became Open . Now , Notice What It Says ; Their Eyes Became Open And They Knew That They Were < Awrone > Naked '' , It Didn't Say , The Eyes Became Open , And Right Away They Knew About Agreeable And Disagreeable '' , The Drug Stimulated Them And They Became Sexually Attracted To Each Other . So What They Did Ws . After They Indulged In Sex , They Sewed Fifs Leaves Together , And Covered Their Private Parts . They Made A Apron . So Of Course , Lust Shifted From The Actual To The Suspense ; Meaning No Longer Was Eve Stimulated By Merely Looking At His Penis , She Was Now Stimulated By The Thought ; And No Longer Was Adam Stimulated By Looking At Eve's Vagina And Breast ; But He Was Now Stimulated By The Thought . Interest Shifted From The Physical Act Of People Walking Around Naked To The Hidden . So It Changed To Lust , Which Is Rooted From The Word Luster 'To Be Attracted . Refer To Genesis 3 ; 7 - 13 , The Punishment Verse 14 .

Make Note Of The Hebrew Word Zehrah - Aramic - ' Seed ( Genesis 3 ; 15 ) Being Used For Both Eve's Descendants And The Serpent's [ Nakhash ] Descendants . It Is Clear At This Point According To The Scriptures That This Serpent Of Genesis Chapter Three , Has Descendants Meaning A Genealogy , A Family , A Wife , And Children . This Is Not A Snake , But The Word Being Used For Serpent Is Nakhash - Aramic - Meaning '' Whisperer ' , A Talking Being With A Larynx And A Voice Box Who Spoke To Eve In The Garden . One Who Lived Before Her And Obviously Learned How To Speak From Someone Or Somebody , And Spoke A Specific Language That She Overstood . Also Read Genesis 3 ; 15 - 17 .

The Reading Of The Akasha Records Beneath The Asa , Ates - Aramic - Tree Is Symbolic Of The Tree Alphabets , Also Called The Tree Of Toth , Which Reveals The Mysteries . It Was Recorded In A Form Of Cuneiform Called Ates - In Aramic ( Hebrew ) And Asa In Ashuric Syriac ( Arabic ) , Meaning 'An Upright Stick , Staff , Cane , Because The Script Was Based On Vertical And Horizontal Wedges As The Branches Of A Tree . The Tree Of Knowledge Of Good And Evil Is Symbolic Of The Receiving Of Will , The Decision Making Process That Leads One To Be Agreeable Or To Make The Decision To Disagree . This Is What Was Contained In The Akasha Records That Was Not For They Eyes Of Adam . Yet , He Did Read It And His Eyes Were Opened Transforming From Immortal As A Deity To Mortality As A Human , From A Being Without Destiny To A Being Destined . Also Read Genesis 3 ; 18 - 21 .

The Knowldge Of Agreeable From Disagreeable ~ A Yahuwa Of The Eloheem Said Behold , ( Talking To The Cherubeems ) Now Adam Has Become As < Ekhawd > - Aramic - ' One ' Of < Naw > 'Us ' , A Disagreeable Being For He Was Already Created Agreeable . So This Could Only Mean He Became Something New , Which Would Be Like The Disagreeable Cherubeems ; His < Ahyin > 'Eyes ' Are < Fawkakh > 'Open . When It Says One Of Us , It's Implying As One Of The Cherubeems , Those Guarding The East End Of The Enclosed Garden As In Genesis 3 ; 24 . He Now < Yawdah > 'Knows , Meaning He Has Will Power Now . He Has It In His Nature . The < Naw > Being Used In The Hebrew For Us , Also Implies That There Were More Than One Yahuwa Involved In This Situation . This Was The 24 Yahwehs Or Elders Which Were In The Garden Of Eden , 12 Agreeable ( Serapheems ) And 12 Disagreeable ( Cherubeems ) Called Luciferians .

So Adam Now < Yawdah > 'Knows Pleasure From Pain , Sober From Intoxication , Right From Wrong And Disagreeable From Agreeable . He's Been Confronted With Deception , Because He's Been Deceived . He Tried To Lie And Pervert Thoughts . He Is Just Like < Ekhawd > - Aramic - ' One ' Of < Naw > 'Us ' , [ Those Disagreeable Ones , And Us Agreeable Ones ] . In The State That Adam Is In , He's Not Entitled To What He Was Created To Get ; His Divinity As A Etherian Again Which Would Be Eternal Life . He Must Pass Through Stages , And This Stage That You're Passing Through Is A 6,000 Year Period From Adam's Expulsion Without His Barathary Gland And His Four Higher Senses Of Divinity Namely ; 1 . Intuition , 2 . Clairvoyance , 3 . Phychometry , 4 Telepathy . And From The Enclosed Garden Of Delight Until The End Of This Era , Also Read Genesis 3 ; 22 - 23 .

The Eloheem Had To Force Zakar / Adam And Nekaybaw / Eve Leave The Enclosed Garden Of Delight . They Never Mention That In The Bible . The Aramic Hebrew Word Used In Genesis 3 ; 24 Is < Gawrash > Meaning 'Evicted To Drive Out . They Did Not Want To Leave , So They Drove Them Out . That's Why In Genesis 3 ; 24 . They Put Cherubeem , The Second Order Of Angelic Hierarchy . As The Two Cherubeems , Also Called Kerubim , That Protected The Mercy Seat ( Exodus 25 ; 18 - 20 ) , Or Cover Of The Ark In The Holy Of Holies . Their Symbol Was Of The Kareb Meaning 'Near Ones , Or The Kerubi Of The Assyrians , Karab - Bull Headed With Extended Wings , In Egypt In Front Of A Naos As Protecors , Faces Of Men , Bodies Of Bull With Extended Wings . Disagreeable Angelic Beings , The Wicked Ones . And It Is Necesary To Put Wicked Beings To Guard The East End Of The Gate , Because Adam Was Going To Try To Get Back Into The Garden , So They Had To Protect It . The Order Of Cherubeems [ Men , Warriors ] That Did Not Like Adam , But Knew They Were Stationed At The East End Of The Garden . Why The East ? Because The Easterm Side Of The Garden Of Delight Was Facing Nod ,

The Persian Gulf Area From Which Nakhaas Entered . The Western Side Of The Garden Of Delight Was Pointing Towards The Nile . They Were Worried About The People At The Tigris And Euphrates , That's Where Adam And Eve Were Put Out . They Ended Up Migrating Towards Sawdeh - Aramic - , The Outer Field , Called Sudan , Nubia , The First Cuwsh - Aramic , Kish , Genesis 2 ; 13 , Where You See Ethiopia , In Hebrew You Find Kush , Long Before The Cush Of Genesis 10 ; 6 Was Born . Adam Wanted To Get To The Tree Of Khayyim - Aramic - Divine Life ' , People Have Ben Seeking That Tree , And They Call It The Fountain Of Youth , And Have Been Trying To Find Ways To Preserve Life . In Actuality It Is Symbolic Of Herbivorism .
synthy
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jan, 2010 12:41 am
@Greatest I am cv,
Another recycled Ishtar/Inana story mangled and distorted

Does the tree of Life ring a bell,she and he should have eaten from both trees(blue and red pills,Ying Yang,+-)at least in this story and they would have lived happily ever after,with the wisdom of nonduality,this god would be dead as a dodo.
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Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jan, 2010 06:04 pm
@YuhannaEl,
YuhannaEl;69666 wrote:
At This Point I Must Make It Clear That


Your or the place you copied and pasted this from?
bisurge
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jan, 2010 07:01 pm
@Greatest I am cv,
My question is: why did God freaking put the tree in reach of the people who might destroy themselves? And supposedly, God loves them so. >_<
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YuhannaEl
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jan, 2010 10:56 pm
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;69686 wrote:
Your or the place you copied and pasted this from?




Why Don't Go Look For It .
bisurge
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jan, 2010 11:01 pm
@YuhannaEl,
YuhannaEl;69691 wrote:
Why Don't Go Look For It .


Whyislam.org Forums: The Tree Of Good And Evil ?
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YuhannaEl
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jan, 2010 08:07 am
@bisurge,



Does That Make You Feel Any Better Now Dumb A$$$ Doesn't Mean I Didn't Post Them Their Also . I Told You Go Look For It / Them Didn't I . Next Time I Sent You On A Mission Don't Take So Long . Air Head
bisurge
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jan, 2010 05:48 pm
@YuhannaEl,
YuhannaEl;69710 wrote:
Does That Make You Feel Any Better Now Dumb A$$$ Doesn't Mean I Didn't Post Them Their Also . I Told You Go Look For It / Them Didn't I . Next Time I Sent You On A Mission Don't Take So Long . Air Head

I think you're the dumbass. Because you told Fatal Freedoms to go look for them. I know those were you because they had El in their usernames; I was simply pointing out that you just pretty much have a word document or something with all that on it and you copy and paste it into threads like these.
Also, you didn't send me on a mission, retard. "Why don't you get look for it?" is not a mission at all, and certainly one not directed at me. Don't be such a smartass because you're just making yourself look stupid.
YuhannaEl
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jan, 2010 07:15 pm
@bisurge,
bisurge;69715 wrote:
I think you're the dumbass. Because you told Fatal Freedoms to go look for them. I know those were you because they had El in their usernames; I was simply pointing out that you just pretty much have a word document or something with all that on it and you copy and paste it into threads like these.
Also, you didn't send me on a mission, retard. "Why don't you get look for it?" is not a mission at all, and certainly one not directed at me. Don't be such a smartass because you're just making yourself look stupid.



Go Sleep With Your Mother And Mine Your Business Overstand That
bisurge
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jan, 2010 08:09 pm
@YuhannaEl,
YuhannaEl;69719 wrote:
Go Sleep With Your Mother And Mine Your Business Overstand That

Once again, don't turn to personal insults when you're wrong. That's just immature and sad.
YuhannaEl
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jan, 2010 07:18 am
@bisurge,
bisurge;69722 wrote:
Once again, don't turn to personal insults when you're wrong. That's just immature and sad.


Speaking Of Being Immature And Adult Wouldn't Mine Other People Business Unless Your Looking For Attention Stay In Your Place. Walking Dead 6 Either
bisurge
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jan, 2010 08:56 pm
@YuhannaEl,
YuhannaEl;69740 wrote:
Speaking Of Being Immature And Adult Wouldn't Mine Other People Business Unless Your Looking For Attention Stay In Your Place. Walking Dead 6 Either

Yes, OBVIOUSLY, when someone posts a freaking THREAD in a forum, it's his OWN business and I have no right to reply to it.
It's not like this site is for Political & Religion DISCUSSION and DEBATE.
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Fatal Freedoms
 
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Reply Sat 23 Jan, 2010 10:52 pm
@YuhannaEl,
YuhannaEl;69719 wrote:
Go Sleep With Your Mother And Mine Your Business Overstand That


You post a statement towards other people and when they question you about what you said/copied, you tell them to mind their own business?
YuhannaEl
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jan, 2010 08:56 am
@Fatal Freedoms,
Fatal_Freedoms;69786 wrote:
You post a statement towards other people and when they question you about what you said/copied, you tell them to mind their own business?



Because He / She Trys To Be A Smart A$$ And Should Mind His / Her Own Business . Now If You Wish We Can Discuss Your Belief's , And Let See If You Have To Go To Some Website / Link For The Answer . Funny Thing About Those Who Acuse Others Of Copying / Pasteing More Then 90% Of Their Post Are Copy/ Paste From Some Website / Link That Feed Their Ego . And Everyone Else Is Wrong And Their School Of Though Is Right . Are You One Of Those People Also ???
bisurge
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jan, 2010 01:04 pm
@YuhannaEl,
YuhannaEl;69806 wrote:
Because He / She Trys To Be A Smart A$$ And Should Mind His / Her Own Business . Now If You Wish We Can Discuss Your Belief's , And Let See If You Have To Go To Some Website / Link For The Answer . Funny Thing About Those Who Acuse Others Of Copying / Pasteing More Then 90% Of Their Post Are Copy/ Paste From Some Website / Link That Feed Their Ego . And Everyone Else Is Wrong And Their School Of Though Is Right . Are You One Of Those People Also ???

If you say, "Why don't you go look for it?", I shouldn't? I thought the reason you said that was because you wanted people to go look it up. And then you call me a smartass and tell me to mind my own business. Now I don't know, but I think that's something called, "Irony" and I think you are a major cause of it.

Also, that's a fail statistic. Why? Well, first of all, you DID copy and paste it from somewhere; it's your own words, but simply reused. Second of all, that statistic isn't backed, and furthermore, when I see people accusing others of copy and pasting, and people reply like you do, I prompt them to search up the posts of the accuser. And never have I found one person who has accused someone of copying from websites that's done it himself. So unless that 90% is from your own little bubble world, I doubt it.

However..
83 Percent of All Statistics are Made Up on the Spot
YuhannaEl
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jan, 2010 02:35 pm
@bisurge,
bisurge;69813 wrote:
If you say, "Why don't you go look for it?", I shouldn't? I thought the reason you said that was because you wanted people to go look it up. And then you call me a smartass and tell me to mind my own business. Now I don't know, but I think that's something called, "Irony" and I think you are a major cause of it.

Also, that's a fail statistic. Why? Well, first of all, you DID copy and paste it from somewhere; it's your own words, but simply reused. Second of all, that statistic isn't backed, and furthermore, when I see people accusing others of copy and pasting, and people reply like you do, I prompt them to search up the posts of the accuser. And never have I found one person who has accused someone of copying from websites that's done it himself. So unless that 90% is from your own little bubble world, I doubt it.

However..
83 Percent of All Statistics are Made Up on the Spot




Take Your Head Out Of Your Sorry Butt And Smell The S**** Your Talking
bisurge
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jan, 2010 02:37 pm
@YuhannaEl,
YuhannaEl;69823 wrote:
Take Your Head Out Of Your Sorry Butt And Smell The S**** Your Talking

Cussing at me for disproving your points does not help your argument at all.
As in you have countered that at all. You've only cussed at me for saying it.
 

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