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Tue 17 Feb, 2009 10:53 pm
Gnosis. From fame to fool.
I was a rather famous non believer. One who could, with logic and debate, have believers just run away from me because I could tie them up in mental knots while destroying their core beliefs.
This aptitude of mine was an expression of my search for truth.
While doing this, I would of course learn to get even better at the analysis of scripture and life. As a good debater against God, I of course learned the best argument to also support the idea of a living God. I learned both from believers and non believers and after a time, some nagging questions came up that gave me pause for reflection in favor of the proposition. Questions that I had a hard time refuting even to myself.
You might say that I talked myself into believing, from what I saw, that there was a God. I had no more proof than any other believer but recognized that if I was right, there had to be a God. Not the miracle working super God that most Christians believers looked for but something else. A God that did not act like a super God but one that was alive and well and on rare occasion interacted mentally with man.
Because of who I was and my famous reputation and image, I could not come out so to speak without proof because an unproven theory was what I had fought very hard to squelch in others.
There came a time for me, with my grand, unproven theory to challenge God, yes challenge is the right word, to either show Himself or I would have to shelve my views because there was no way that I would believe fully without proof. Show or go. It was time.
He showed and on that day I went from non believing fame to a believing fool.
I was -saved- and at the same time recognized that none of us are never lost to God. Not the usual religious view but then again, my view was not aimed towards social manipulation and control. The aim of Constantine?s Bible.
At the time, I was not aware of what true Gnosticism was because even this creed had been polluted by mysticism and a stretching of truth. Only later did I realize why this excellent Gnostic creed had allowed itself to do so. It, like all religions of the day was trying to grow and spread because of the attacks from Orthodox Christianity. For survival, it took on the name of Christian Gnosticism since the Christian Orthodoxy had created a Bible that had consolidated the beliefs of most of the known religions if the day, used it as a platform for Gnosis.
A good idea as even in my case, the KJ Bible helped to lead me to Gnosis and God.
All Bible have merit and value in the sense that all thinking, in religious and moral terms will eventually lead the seeker to Gnosis and in some cases to a personal contact with the Godhead.
So my fight continues, not only with Christians who are not understanding their Bible properly and now from what I have seen, with Gnostics who are looking at mysticisms as the road to Gnosis.
It is logic and imagination that leads to Gnosis my friends. Place your faith in the knowledge that God does not use miracles and strange talking snakes and ten headed monsters to show His philosophy to us. He has no need for such childish toys. As a perfect God who does not constantly fail and kill humans, the way the God of scripture does, He has no need to create a hell, to hide His mistakes. All souls are as perfect as the universe that is around us.
All souls then go to heaven. In this we have no choice. We do have free will in all other things but at death there is only one destination. There is pain and pleasure involved in this but a small price to pay for what looks to be eternal bliss. See you all there. You will know me. I will be the one that went from unbelieving fame to a believing fool.
Regards
DL
@Greatest I am cv,
I need to clarify something for you.
You've said that Gnosis is polluted by mysticism.
The very nature of gnosis is a mystical experience. It can be no other way. Realization of self on a waking level is what transforms you, not study of scripture based on other people's experiences with it.
You need to have your own experiences. You won't enter the kingdom until you do.
You can't pick the lock on this gate by thinking. You must be able to FEEL. Compassion is the key to the kingdom.
Culture that. Find God.
x
@xexon,
xexon;64036 wrote:I need to clarify something for you.
You've said that Gnosis is polluted by mysticism.
The very nature of gnosis is a mystical experience. It can be no other way. Realization of self on a waking level is what transforms you, not study of scripture based on other people's experiences with it.
You need to have your own experiences. You won't enter the kingdom until you do.
You can't pick the lock on this gate by thinking. You must be able to FEEL. Compassion is the key to the kingdom.
Culture that. Find God.
x
When I say that present day Gnosticism is corrupted by mysticism. I am talking about all the teachings for OBE, astral projection and such other strange phenomena that is being taught.
"Realization of self on a waking level is what transforms you"
Exactly, not dream states, OBE or others states.
Dreams can give information but only to a mind that is awake to evaluate it.
As to the kingdom of God, we all get there.
Regards
DL
@Greatest I am cv,
I have taken much the same trip as you DL, but I ended up with Deism...of course being a 3rd generation Deist probably colored my trip, but like all younglings I had to find the truth for myself and like you I can see a living God, one that has nothing to do with the various false gods of the revealed religions and one that for whatever reasons leaves his creation alone. I guess in a way we arrived at the same destination on different trains...LOL :patriot:
@mako cv,
mako;64097 wrote:I have taken much the same trip as you DL, but I ended up with Deism...of course being a 3rd generation Deist probably colored my trip, but like all younglings I had to find the truth for myself and like you I can see a living God, one that has nothing to do with the various false gods of the revealed religions and one that for whatever reasons leaves his creation alone. I guess in a way we arrived at the same destination on different trains...LOL :patriot:
If only there were more of us. Then again many of us do not come out.
Regards
DL