Why should you or anyone else for that matter have faith in the writings of men? You give no such consideration to other writings of men, for good reason too. Men are wrong more often than not, why have such blind trust in people who you have never met about things that they couldn't possibly know and that are so unlikely to be true.


"To see by faith is to shut the eye of reason", -Benjamin Franklin

Fatal_Freedoms,
You were referring to the Bible as the authoritative source (Eve, Lords' prayer), I wonder to what extend you believe in the Bible?

And do you base your explanation only one your personal observations?

I do not have blind trust.

i believe none of what I hear and half of what I see. At least until i apply logic to it.

If you have no faith in God or man, then what do you base any thinking on?

Am I to forget my own personal experiences?

As to logic, if I need to spell it out to that extent then we will not likely agree as to what it is.

Not having faith in the words of men as you do leaves you to contemplate nothing because all word are spoken by men.

God has yet to say a word except to the silent minds of men.

on this we can agree.



My point is that people differ in the ways they apply logic. So from the same set of information two people can come to completely different conclusions.



On the contrary it leaves me to contemplate much....particularly the accuracy of what they say.

Believing something simply because it is spoken is foolish to the highest degree, because it leaves you vulnerable to the lies and misinterpretations.

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How would you know this?

I know that God does not do miracles. He can only observes and guides those who seek Him/It out.

And if you don't believe everything you are told, you are prone to disbelieve what you cannot assure is real, like god, it is curious how this works.

All that one hears is evaluated,

and how do you do that, especially things of religious matters?

Think like the Godhead that I understand and know and see if it fits as an attribute.

IE.

When we speak of a hell, I wonder if a true god would need a place to place His failled souls. Since all souls are created perfect, it does not seem likely that a true and perfect God would screw up the creation of perfect souls.

Therefore, there is no Hell.

Hows that for logic?

Regards
DL

I see.

So how do you know there is a god or many gods?

It does not do miracles unless just the fact of it's existence is a miracle. Communication is it's only tool.

If communication is his only tool then he cannot be all-powerful.

Correct.

Have you ever seen a case where any other power was used?

God does not want any man to go to Hell

and where do the angels fit in the demographics? you forgot about them.
Also, everybody who believes in God would agree that He is perfect and that He created a perfect man. That is true and biblical. What most people omit is looking at other God's characteristics, such as fairness and holiness. God gave humans a choice of obedience or disobedience. Since God is perfect, nothing imperfect can stand in His presence. Therefore, those that choose to disobey His commands (10 perfect laws), cannot enter into His presence, that is heaven. Hell was originally created for Lucifer and his angels. God does not want any man to go to Hell because Hi is love. Because He is holy, only those people who are justified can enter into His presence. Since because nobody has kept the 10 commandments (telling lies, stealing, misusing God's name, disobeying parents, etc.), everybody is a sinner.. The good news is Jesus died on the cross and took our punishment so we don't have to die if only we believe and accept His sacrifice.

I haven't seen any powers used whatsoever. If i had, then i'd have to rethink my position of atheism.