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Celtic christianity, Catharism a threat! maybe the truth

 
 
Reagaknight
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 11:39 am
@couchp,
It was made to look like a huge scandal while the amount of priests, though large, involved were small in relation to the total amount of priests, which is why the pope did not step in personally except with major cases. And also, the individual wrongdoing of some people in an organization are not something to judge the organization by if there are more good people in it.
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aaronssongs
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 11:53 am
@couchp,
You talk like a crazy person...the scandal was only the "tip of the iceberg"...
While a junior in high school, I often frequented Texas Southern University's Catholic Newman Hall...they had a coffeehouse, and I became friends with a student, Gail Holmes, who played flute, and later became a nun. The chaplin (who shall remain nameless), acted "inappropriately" with me, on numerous occasions....why I didn't report him troubles me to this day...if I had been a "gold digger", I, easily could have capitalized on the class action lawsuits running rampant. The chaplin eventually was ousted from the church for repeated incidents......so......I suggest the problem is more wide-spread that you, or most people realize. And by the same token, the Episcopal diocese of Chicago, in the mid 60's, apparently was no better, as I'm privy to the fact that there was a culture which existed which preyed upon young boys.
Wake up and smell the coffee
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Reagaknight
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 11:58 am
@couchp,
There's always going to be a group that does stuff like that in every organization, just because its not totally exposed doesn't make the part that is 'the tip of the iceburg.'
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 12:25 pm
@Reagaknight,
Reagaknight;22317 wrote:
There's always going to be a group that does stuff like that in every organization, just because its not totally exposed doesn't make the part that is 'the tip of the iceburg.'


Sounds like denial( not a river in Egypt) and rationalization, on your part, to me.
And just because you think it's "overblown", and inconsequential, doesn't mean there isn't more there than meets the eye. Truth doesn't need for you to believe it, to be "true", it just "is".
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Reagaknight
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 02:15 pm
@couchp,
It's not inconsequential, it's just a double standard in the portrayal of it leading to unfair stereotypical behavior towards the church.
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 02:51 pm
@Reagaknight,
Reagaknight;22362 wrote:
It's not inconsequential, it's just a double standard in the portrayal of it leading to unfair stereotypical behavior towards the church.


Talk about an entity that has a real problem with separation of "church and state"....uh, that would be The Catholic Church....even going so far as to advise world leaders on behavior and codes of conduct...how disingenuous! How arrogant.
Christ appealled to his followers sense of duty to God and their inherent morality...he didn't judge folk as to their politics. I can't stand you hypocritical, lying SOB moralists, who expect the world to subscribe to your belief system.
You're hypocrites, might be the reason why. Lying SOB's
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"the church" which is guilty of more corruption and hypocrisy than you can shake a stick at....I wouldn't be surprised at the second coming of Christ, where He throws everybody into the gates of Hell, for saying stuff he didn't say, doing stuff he preached against, and thinking that folks were, guaranteed, on the Big Book's List.
My name might not be there...but I'll bet good money, neither is yours, and whole bunch o' folks, either.
Reagaknight
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 03:51 pm
@couchp,
I would respond to this, but I won't, because your other post about Texas indicated that you have some real problems and issues in your life, and your post about the chaplain shows that too. So for once, I suppose I'll be nice. I'm just too damn soft for my own good.
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 04:00 pm
@Reagaknight,
Reagaknight;22382 wrote:
I would respond to this, but I won't, because your other post about Texas indicated that you have some real problems and issues in your life, and your post about the chaplain shows that too. So for once, I suppose I'll be nice. I'm just too damn soft for my own good.


Oh, trust me...I have a New York State of Mind, here in the Lone Star State...I try to be comfortable wherever I am...I make the best of things...doesn't mean that it's not broken and doesn't need to be fixed, though.
Actually, I'm quite happy and contrary to popular belief, "well-adjusted"...I go to my therapist once a week, to vent, about ignorance and folks like you...and I'm ok...I work on my music, and write, and watch Keith Olbermann and Bill Maher (whenever I get the chance), and Jack Cafferty (whom I idolize for his lack of BS)...and my partner and I do ok....how's your world?
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couchp
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jun, 2007 07:36 am
@Reagaknight,
Reagaknight;22299 wrote:
I suppose so, as long as they didn't become secessionist, like medieval Cathars in France were.


I'm not so sure they were secessionist. They occupied a particular region, an still do in another way. Some Dukes and aristocracy were among them.
They were regional, but secessionist? I will have to look that one up!
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couchp
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jun, 2007 07:40 am
@aaronssongs,
aaronssongs;22369 wrote:
Talk about an entity that has a real problem with separation of "church and state"....uh, that would be The Catholic Church....even going so far as to advise world leaders on behavior and codes of conduct...how disingenuous! How arrogant.
Christ appealled to his followers sense of duty to God and their inherent morality...he didn't judge folk as to their politics. I can't stand you hypocritical, lying SOB moralists, who expect the world to subscribe to your belief system.
You're hypocrites, might be the reason why. Lying SOB's
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"the church" which is guilty of more corruption and hypocrisy than you can shake a stick at....I wouldn't be surprised at the second coming of Christ, where He throws everybody into the gates of Hell, for saying stuff he didn't say, doing stuff he preached against, and thinking that folks were, guaranteed, on the Big Book's List.
My name might not be there...but I'll bet good money, neither is yours, and whole bunch o' folks, either.


I'm with you on this one, wait & see what judgement day brings. Possibly a load of zombies! I won't be on the list either, but neither will a lot of self righteous types who speak for God, with nothing more than a book to back them up.
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Reagaknight
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jun, 2007 12:34 pm
@couchp,
Semi-secessionist at best. Why not, their beliefs led them to think any ties to anything on earth was evil, king and country fit. Besides, they were causing all sorts of problems; not just them, but the whole of Southern France with them.
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jun, 2007 01:39 pm
@couchp,
aaronssongs;22385 wrote:
Oh, trust me...I have a New York State of Mind, here in the Lone Star State...I try to be comfortable wherever I am...I make the best of things...doesn't mean that it's not broken and doesn't need to be fixed, though.
Actually, I'm quite happy and contrary to popular belief, "well-adjusted"...I go to my therapist once a week, to vent, about ignorance and folks like you...and I'm ok...I work on my music, and write, and watch Keith Olbermann and Bill Maher (whenever I get the chance), and Jack Cafferty (whom I idolize for his lack of BS)...and my partner and I do ok....how's your world?



This post pretty much sums up your way of life, NeoLib is what comes to mind.
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Dmizer
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jun, 2007 11:59 am
@couchp,
The Catholic Church has some great time honored traditions and going to mass to watch the same thing week in and week out gives some people warm fuzzy feelings inside, because it's simple and safe. But the Catholic church also represents all that is wrong with organized religion. The fact that it creates an environment where by a few control the many, and that the influence of money and politics dictates religious edicts, is all I need to point out. The Catholic church was created by God, but it was destroyed by man.
Anytime an institution like the Catholic church (or any other for that matter) places an overemphasis on it's own denomination that in turn leads to the division of the body of Christ, then you have an institution controled and run by man not God. I believe God gave up on the Catholic church a long time ago.
Reagaknight
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jun, 2007 12:08 pm
@couchp,
You can't blame the Catholic Church for the splitting away of other groups. It is not faith that is going into politics, it is politics going into traditionally religious moral issues because of necessity and the religion refusing to stop its moral teachings.
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jun, 2007 04:23 pm
@Dmizer,
Dmizer;22921 wrote:
The Catholic Church has some great time honored traditions and going to mass to watch the same thing week in and week out gives some people warm fuzzy feelings inside, because it's simple and safe. But the Catholic church also represents all that is wrong with organized religion. The fact that it creates an environment where by a few control the many, and that the influence of money and politics dictates religious edicts, is all I need to point out. The Catholic church was created by God, but it was destroyed by man.
Anytime an institution like the Catholic church (or any other for that matter) places an overemphasis on it's own denomination that in turn leads to the division of the body of Christ, then you have an institution controled and run by man not God. I believe God gave up on the Catholic church a long time ago.


Thank the Lord, a sane person, finally! I am in agreement...religion has failed us...man has corrupted it. The reason I don't go to church, anymore...but I still have a personal relationship with God, and I pray.
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aaronssongs
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jun, 2007 04:26 pm
@Reagaknight,
Reagaknight;22923 wrote:
You can't blame the Catholic Church for the splitting away of other groups. It is not faith that is going into politics, it is politics going into traditionally religious moral issues because of necessity and the religion refusing to stop its moral teachings.


Say what? What groups did the Catholic Church split from?
Faith into politics???? Politics going into traditionally religious moral issues???
What? Because of necessity?
And religion refusing to stop its' moral teachings?
Do you know what you're talking about? Can you put that into English....uh, standard English?
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Reagaknight
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jun, 2007 04:35 pm
@couchp,
The kind it is in currently? Not really necessary.

P.S. You're in for a whole lot of criticism from me about your writing from now on. I've seen it and it's pretty bad.
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jun, 2007 05:20 pm
@Reagaknight,
Reagaknight;23013 wrote:
The kind it is in currently? Not really necessary.

P.S. You're in for a whole lot of criticism from me about your writing from now on. I've seen it and it's pretty bad.


Oh....that must be why I'm a contributing writer to a Texas-wide magazine, with an internet component, and a renown local poet, with a core following and working on my 2nd book.
Criticism? From you? Sacre bleu! I relish it. And who might you be, that I would know you?
Reagaknight
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jun, 2007 05:58 pm
@couchp,
I'm just going to take a random phrase from one of your recent posts:

Quote:
Lying SOB's


Correct version: "Lying SOBs." In an abbreviation or symbol such as "SOB" the correct plural version would be an "s" with no apostophe. But that must be what editors are for, I suppose. What's your first book, then, if you are such an accomplished author? I assure you, I can criticize the classics if I want to.

Oh, and what's up with all the triple periods?
aaronssongs
 
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Reply Fri 22 Jun, 2007 08:10 pm
@Reagaknight,
Reagaknight;23058 wrote:
I'm just going to take a random phrase from one of your recent posts:



Correct version: "Lying SOBs." In an abbreviation or symbol such as "SOB" the correct plural version would be an "s" with no apostophe. But that must be what editors are for, I suppose. What's your first book, then, if you are such an accomplished author? I assure you, I can criticize the classics if I want to.

Oh, and what's up with all the triple periods?


Oh, major infraction...so sue me. Yeah, that's the editor's dept...I just crank out the content.
My first book...oh, nothing special..just a collection of some of my poetry...it only sold about 600 copies, locally, with practically no advertisement or marketing, other than word of mouth, and friends.
Oh, you think that "the classics" are in need of criticism? I'm sure Shakespere would be reticent.
 

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