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politically-wrong
 
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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2007 05:18 am
@92b16vx,
Red;32900 wrote:
I concur the US has added to the misery and suffering of Muslims in some countries but the same can be said about Moderate Muslims in free democratic countries. Their failure to even attempt to become responsible citizens and their constant demands for their adopted countries to Muslimfy or else they riot and burn with hatred and violence. Islam and it's followers feel as if they are intitled to what ever they demand and they are finding out that Europe and Canada as well that we aren't taking their abuse anymore. The Liberal or Socialist will allow Islam what ever it wants to ensure they get elected repeatedly. They've destroyed European Culture and now they are taking away civil rights in the name of keeping the peace between non-Muslims and Muslims. The only violence that takes place is Muslims rioting in the name of Allah. Europe accepted Muslims unmasse and they have been rewarded with fanatical Islam on their doorstep. Instead of becoming members of all communities they set up Islamic enclaves that even the police are afraid to enter. Image a Muslim women comes to Europe expecting to live a peaceful Islamic life only to find out her arranged husband has no intention of letting her leave the house let alone embrace our freedoms. It's heart breaking really, if we intervene we are racist multicultral haters but all anyone has ever asked from Muslim Immigrants is integration and to enrich our culture with theirs. Instead of enriching Canada we've had to deal with honour killings, plural marrages, arranged marrages of female children, an increase in rapes (In Norway nine out of ten rapes are by Muslim Men) Sharia Law being enforced in the home and Muslim Communities, Imams that preach the global caliphate of Islam when they aren't preaching hatred towards Jews and us Infidels. Can you image how angry we get when we support them, give them free medical and dental benifits only to find out they hate us? Islam and it's followers are proving to be ungrateful and dangerous to Christian Democratic countries, first it's our culture than our religion and then what?

So in conculsion Islam is getting it's revenge on those of us who did it no harm, we allow them to emigrate to our countries and we are rewarded with hate, violence and we get to pay for it because they don't feel the need to work with our generous social welfare programs. A time will come when we have to decide is Islam dangerous and compatable in free and democratic societies. So far Islam is the only winner under socialist governments, the people who accepted them into their countries sure don't feel very lucky these days. Islam has no one to blame but it's followers for the anger that is is growing globally. It's refusal to accept the fact that it's the author of it's own misery shall be it's undoing.

As a female Islam is my natural enemy, I could never live as a second class citizen. I am not worth half of a man I'm worth twice as much as a man.

Link regarding Islam and women: American Thinker: Top ten rules in the Quran that oppress women


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the same can be said about Moderate Muslims in free democratic countries. Their failure to even attempt to become responsible citizens and their constant demands for their adopted countries to Muslimfy or else they riot and burn with hatred and violence.


sorry those rioting and resorting to violence are in noway moderates , we believe in peacefull means only , specially with the situation the middle east is in today , violence can bring nothing but misery to Islam generally .

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but all anyone has ever asked from Muslim Immigrants is integration and to enrich our culture with theirs


total integration is an impossibility (if one wants to stay as a muslim anyway) , but there is co-existence , why do i have to be a copy of you ? , i have my own beliefs , but that doesnot mean we can not live in the same society and peacefully co-exist.

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Image a Muslim women comes to Europe expecting to live a peaceful Islamic life only to find out her arranged husband has no intention of letting her leave the house let alone embrace our freedoms


did you know that sharia law requires a womans asent (agreement) for a marriage to be lawfull?!! , this rule isnot enforced .

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Christian Democratic countries


only the vatican is a christian country , the rest are secular , and am not sure if the vatican is democratic either !!

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So in conculsion Islam is getting it's revenge on those of us who did it no harm, we allow them to emigrate to our countries and we are rewarded with hate


Islam isnot getting revenge on you , its the extreme understanding of Islam , the fundamentalist view of Islam is the one you are talking about.

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they don't feel the need to work with our generous social welfare programs
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you make it look like every muslim is living of welfare , this is totaly untrue .

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A time will come when we have to decide is Islam dangerous and compatable in free and democratic societies


A time will come when you will feel the need to understand Islam fully, not just one point of view, at least i hope so.

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As a female Islam is my natural enemy, I could never live as a second class citizen. I am not worth half of a man I'm worth twice as much as a man
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If Islam really viewed women as second class citizens , we would have never heard of a woman converting to Islam , which is not the case , this is just your understanding of the religion , i might add its distorted and biased due to your society.
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It's heart breaking really, if we intervene we are racist multicultral haters

If you believe in multi cultural society you must not demand total integration , but you should demand peaceful co-existence. Integration leads to single culture societies , peaceful co-existence means multi cultural societies.

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Sharia Law being enforced in the home and Muslim Communities

Is there a freedom of belief ? I mean can you be a muslim if you want to , or a Christian or a jew ?
If so you can not be a muslim if you live by secular law’s , either he should apply sharia law’s or he isnot muslim , so allowing them to live by sharia laws is part of freedom of religion in your country , you always complain about muslim countries enforcing sharia laws on non-muslim citizens, what about you?
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So far Islam is the only winner under socialist governments

Can I take that as a compliment Very Happy
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Islam has no one to blame but it's followers for the anger that is is growing globally

Let me rephrase your words: Islam has no one to blame but its extreme thinking followers for the anger that is growing globally.
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politically-wrong
 
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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2007 05:36 am
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73;32995 wrote:
Why do Muslim clerics never speak of the virtues of love, peace, fraternity, forgiveness? Their message always centers on obedience, destruction of the West, the eradication of liberal democracy, the oppression of women, and the return of 'Super Imam'. We never hear anything but a protracted war-cry and death threat. Is there anything else to Islam?


well because the media does not want you to see that part of Islam , they speak so much of all that frankly i used to get bored with it, it teaches that forgiveness is one of the keys to paradise , Islam say's you get to paradise if you love a person just for the sake of God , man there are so much teachings regarding all that stuff i will need a hundred professional typists for a month to write about 50% of it , by the way regarding the destruction of the west extremists view it as destroying them literally, i view it as converting them to Islam(in other words if i want to convert them. i will have to make sure they are alive Very Happy), see the difference !! , Islam does not fight any one , unless declared war upon first by others , thats why i feel i have every right to fight Israel (its military and infrastructure ) , but not the US because they are not in direct war with us , contrary to Israel which is occupying our land.
Drnaline
 
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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2007 08:37 am
@92b16vx,
IT's NOT YOUR LAND. If you adhear to the theory of war, you lost the land long ago.
92b16vx
 
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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2007 08:53 am
@politically-wrong,
politically-wrong;32999 wrote:
, contrary to Israel which is occupying our land.


They aren't occupying YOUR land, you weren't even born when Israel come into existance. Hell, you aren't even on the same continent. Maybe we should start exterminating the muslims in America, since they are on "our" land huh?
Drnaline
 
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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2007 09:00 am
@92b16vx,
Good point 92.
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politically-wrong
 
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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2007 09:48 am
@92b16vx,
92b16vx;33024 wrote:
They aren't occupying YOUR land, you weren't even born when Israel come into existance. Hell, you aren't even on the same continent. Maybe we should start exterminating the muslims in America, since they are on "our" land huh?


geograpgy has nothing to do with it , being in the same continent too doesnot have anything to do with it , and iam speaking from a muslims point of view , so whether its Palestine , Iraq , Indonesia , Kashmir , Chechniya or wherever exists a history of muslim majority and clear understanding that it is Muslim land then its my land , Muslims in america are protected by US laws , muslims in palestine or the occupied lands are not , secondly the muslims in US arenot forcing you to leave your land , arenot destroying your holysites, thirdly you must differentiate between those who did comit crimes against you as a US citizen , and those who did not , the same way i differentiate you from the sorry examples of humans who were responsible for what happened in Abughareeb jail in Iraq , i didnot say you were just like those because both of you are chrostians or americans did i?
92b16vx
 
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Reply Mon 27 Aug, 2007 10:42 am
@politically-wrong,
politically-wrong;33052 wrote:
geograpgy has nothing to do with it , being in the same continent too doesnot have anything to do with it , and iam speaking from a muslims point of view , so whether its Palestine , Iraq , Indonesia , Kashmir , Chechniya or wherever exists a history of muslim majority and clear understanding that it is Muslim land then its my land , Muslims in america are protected by US laws , muslims in palestine or the occupied lands are not , secondly the muslims in US arenot forcing you to leave your land , arenot destroying your holysites, thirdly you must differentiate between those who did comit crimes against you as a US citizen , and those who did not , the same way i differentiate you from the sorry examples of humans who were responsible for what happened in Abughareeb jail in Iraq , i didnot say you were just like those because both of you are chrostians or americans did i?


I do not give one iota of care about what the muslims THINK is theirs, because some stupid storybook tells them it is. What I do care about is that they want to continue warring and dragging the WHOLE ******* world into their backwards ass way of thinking, and causing constant wordlwide strife with their religious bullshit. Muslims are pushing their luck, and it ain't going to last. Piss off the U.S. and we will wind up steamrolling EVERY muslim country, and there won't be a damn thing they will be able to do about it but throw rocks at tomohawk missles. At some point the lambskin PC gloves WILL come off, and it won't be ribbed for her pleasure if you get my drift.

People that think like me want to end the war(s), and let people be people, and live in peace. But you fuvkers keep pushing, and pushing, and there's only so much that we are going to take, the backlash will make Iraq look like a Sunday afternoon stroll.
politically-wrong
 
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Reply Tue 28 Aug, 2007 01:53 am
@92b16vx,
92b16vx;33057 wrote:
I do not give one iota of care about what the muslims THINK is theirs, because some stupid storybook tells them it is. What I do care about is that they want to continue warring and dragging the WHOLE ******* world into their backwards ass way of thinking, and causing constant wordlwide strife with their religious bullshit. Muslims are pushing their luck, and it ain't going to last. Piss off the U.S. and we will wind up steamrolling EVERY muslim country, and there won't be a damn thing they will be able to do about it but throw rocks at tomohawk missles. At some point the lambskin PC gloves WILL come off, and it won't be ribbed for her pleasure if you get my drift.

People that think like me want to end the war(s), and let people be people, and live in peace. But you fuvkers keep pushing, and pushing, and there's only so much that we are going to take, the backlash will make Iraq look like a Sunday afternoon stroll.


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People that think like me want to end the war(s), and let people be people, and live in peace


when you think you are ready to think the way you think that you think with i will be waiting , till then hot air is not good enough to reply to .

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At some point the lambskin PC gloves WILL come off, and it won't be ribbed for her pleasure if you get my drift


iam sure its nothing important, but nontheless i would still like to understand and so be able to use the terminology used , could you put it in plain english(layman's terms maybe?) once again please?
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tvsej
 
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Reply Tue 28 Aug, 2007 02:01 am
@Pinochet73,
92, I think I love you!:worship:
tvsej
 
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Reply Tue 28 Aug, 2007 02:02 am
@Drnaline,
Drnaline;33017 wrote:
IT's NOT YOUR LAND. If you adhear to the theory of war, you lost the land long ago.


Louder please, pw still can't hear you!
politically-wrong
 
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Reply Tue 28 Aug, 2007 03:30 am
@tvsej,
tvsej;33224 wrote:
Louder please, pw still can't hear you!


oh i hear him allright , the problem is i dont adhere to the theory of war , simple yet clear.
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politically-wrong
 
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Reply Tue 28 Aug, 2007 03:32 am
@tvsej,
tvsej;33223 wrote:
92, I think I love you!:worship:


ya i love him too , he gave me a chance to clarify many many points (to others and my self as well) that i wasnot clearly aware off Very Happy:cool:
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politically-wrong
 
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Reply Tue 28 Aug, 2007 03:51 am
@92b16vx,
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I do not give one iota of care about what the muslims THINK is theirs


with all due respect , it has nothing to do with what you think either or care about too.
92b16vx
 
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Reply Tue 28 Aug, 2007 08:31 am
@politically-wrong,
politically-wrong;33233 wrote:
with all due respect , it has nothing to do with what you think either or care about too.


The **** it doesn't buster. When I, and my brothers in arms are called to quill the mess YOU people keep making, you're sure as shittin' it has EVERYTHING to do with what I care about. Get ahold of your radicals, and then maybe people will take you seriously, till then, the radicals are making your moderates look REALLY bad.
Drnaline
 
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Reply Tue 28 Aug, 2007 08:35 am
@92b16vx,
Gotta agree with you 100% there 92!
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socalgolfguy
 
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Reply Tue 28 Aug, 2007 09:51 am
@92b16vx,
92b16vx;33270 wrote:
The **** it doesn't buster. When I, and my brothers in arms are called to quill the mess YOU people keep making, you're sure as shittin' it has EVERYTHING to do with what I care about. Get ahold of your radicals, and then maybe people will take you seriously, till then, the radicals are making your moderates look REALLY bad.


That's it in a nutshell. PW, you and others like you MUST rise up and kill the radicals that have poisoned Islam. It is YOUR responsibility - KILL THEM. Then, we all go home, wherever that may be.
politically-wrong
 
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Reply Wed 29 Aug, 2007 12:22 am
@socalgolfguy,
socalgolfguy;33312 wrote:
That's it in a nutshell. PW, you and others like you MUST rise up and kill the radicals that have poisoned Islam. It is YOUR responsibility - KILL THEM. Then, we all go home, wherever that may be.


well first i dont kill unless in self defence , then am hindered by dictatorships and secular regimes that are suspicious of any democratic parties , you get arrested , tortured and whatever neccessary to stop you from any political ambitions you have will be done , the point am trying to convince you with is that unless the US chooses to support (moderate Islamic and democratic parties) instead of secular regimes , extremism is going to rule over here.

and i have this plan about exchanging favors with the US really , i can put it simply this way.

1- the US will work to get a moderate democratic Islamic party in government and in exchange

2- the US will be assured of constant oil supply .
3- total peace and recognition of Israel ( after reaching a real solution with US backing and support )
4- the get the total support of their war against terrorism, Alqaeda will lose alot of its support if a solution to Palestine exists and the situation of human rights improves in the muslim world on the condition that the US government should be the sole enforcer of this, then i will have the ability and enough logic and support to block all terrorist activities without raising anger in my own country against me.

tell me what you think?
socalgolfguy
 
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Reply Wed 29 Aug, 2007 10:40 am
@politically-wrong,
politically-wrong;33480 wrote:
well first i dont kill unless in self defence , then am hindered by dictatorships and secular regimes that are suspicious of any democratic parties , you get arrested , tortured and whatever neccessary to stop you from any political ambitions you have will be done , the point am trying to convince you with is that unless the US chooses to support (moderate Islamic and democratic parties) instead of secular regimes , extremism is going to rule over here.

and i have this plan about exchanging favors with the US really , i can put it simply this way.

1- the US will work to get a moderate democratic Islamic party in government and in exchange

2- the US will be assured of constant oil supply .
3- total peace and recognition of Israel ( after reaching a real solution with US backing and support )
4- the get the total support of their war against terrorism, Alqaeda will lose alot of its support if a solution to Palestine exists and the situation of human rights improves in the muslim world on the condition that the US government should be the sole enforcer of this, then i will have the ability and enough logic and support to block all terrorist activities without raising anger in my own country against me.

tell me what you think?


Thanks, PW.
Isn't that pretty much what we are attempting to do?
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