Ants Speak ! Another New Quranic Scientific Miracle

Funny, none of these audio files of yours sound like "speech" to me, much less complete sentences.

Now, if you can show evidence that these ants can actually say these words (who exactly translates Ant, anyway?) then you might have something worthwhile.

Until then... out of the science section and to religion where ye belong.

Because you need first to be at least as smart as an ANT.

Spoken by someone who thinks that a creature's ability to communicate with others of its species automatically means it "speaks"? That's funny.

Explain: how do ants know what humans call them? I mean, according to your book... the ant addressed his brethren as "ants". How would they know this, being unable to comprehend or translate our language? Which language did they understand? I'm sure your book was written in many languages... which one did they comprehend?

Explain also: How do we know what the ants are saying? We don't have much of an idea now, merely how their communications work. It's similar to filling a tape full of obscenities and blasting it at full volume, then calling the end result "communication". Doesn't work that way.

I'll be waiting for your book's response.

Again, for me to make any sensible/intellectual dialogue with you, you need first to be at least as smart as an ANT!

fail.

Why don't you try. Anyone with intelligence wouldn't flex, they'd bring.

Funny you can't answer my questions. Also why is this the *ONLY* place such a claim is made? You take things literally and then attempt to apply them to a religious text in an attempt to equate your faith with science. You completely misrepresent the scientific findings (this is no surprise) and attempt to square-peg-round-hole them into a single sentence to validate an entire book, which funny enough, is the only place such a claim is made.

You've shown time and time again that your understanding of science is laughable, this is no exception. So if you're as intelligent as you claim, why don't you address the argument directly?

You wanna flex to me? I will smack you down without so much as a second thought.

[SIZE="3"][25] "And of them (disbelievers) there are some who listen to you; but We (Allah) have set veils on their hearts, so they understand it not, and deafness in their ears; and even if they see every one of the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) they will not believe therein; to the point that when they come to you to argue with you, the disbelievers say: "These are nothing but tales of the men of old." "
[The Noble Quran 6:25][/SIZE]


[SIZE="3"][146] "I (Allah) shall turn away from My Ayat (verses of the Quran) those who behave arrogantly on the earth, without a right, and (even) if they see all the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.), they will not believe in them. And if they see the way of righteousness (monotheism, piety, and good deeds), they will not adopt it as the Way, but if they see the way of error (polytheism, crimes and evil deeds), they will adopt that way, that is because they have rejected Our Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) and were heedless (to learn a lesson) from them."
[The Noble Quran 7:146][/SIZE]


[SIZE="2"][SIZE="3"]"[43] Have you (O Muhammad (peace be upon him)) seen him who has taken as his ilah (god) his own desire? Would you then be a Wak?l (a disposer of his affairs or a watcher) over him?
[44] Or do you think that most of them hear or understand? They are only like cattle- nay, they are even farther astray from the Path. (i.e. even worst than cattle)."
[The Noble Quran 24: 43-44][/SIZE][/SIZE]


[SIZE="3"][23] "Had Allah known of any good in them (the arrogant disbelievers), He would indeed have made them listen; and even if He had made them listen, they would but have turned away with aversion (to the truth)."
[The Noble Quran 8: 23][/SIZE]

[SIZE="3"]Hills are alive with the sound of ants ? talking to each other[/SIZE]


"Till, when they came to the valley of the ants, one of the ants said: 'O ants! enter Your dwellings, lest Sulaiman (prophet Solomon) and his hosts crush you, while they perceive not.' So He [Sulaiman (Solomon)] smiled, amused at her speech." [The Noble Quran, An-Naml: 18-19]


A report in the science magazine says" Advances in audio technology have enabled scientists to discover that ants routinely talk to each other in their nests.

Most ants have a natural washboard and plectrum built into their abdomens that they can rub together to communicate using sound.

Using miniaturised microphones and speakers that can be inserted unobtrusively into nests, researchers established that the queens can issue instructions to their workers.

The astonished researchers, who managed to make the first recordings of queen ants ?speaking?, also discovered that other insects can mimic the ants to make them slaves.

Rebel's large blue butterfly is one of about 10,000 creatures that have a parasitic relationship with ants and has now been found to have learnt to imitate the sounds as well as using chemical signals.

The butterfly's caterpillars are carried by ants into the nests where they beg for food and are fed by the workers. When a colony is disturbed the ants will rescue the caterpillars before their own broods.

Research several decades ago had shown that ants were able to make alarm calls using sounds, but only now has it been shown that their vocabulary may be much bigger and that they can ?talk? to each other.

Professor Jeremy Thomas, of the University of Oxford, said improvements in technology had made the discoveries possible because it meant the ants could be recorded and subjected to playbacks without becoming alarmed.

By placing miniature speakers into the nest and playing back sounds made by a queen, the researchers were able to persuade ants to stand to attention.

?When we played the queen sounds they did 'en garde' behaviour. They would stand motionless with their antennae held out and their jaws apart for hours - the moment anyone goes near they will attack,? he said.

He described how the ants would press their antennae to the speaker just as they would seek to greet another ant in the nest.

Professor Thomas said it remained unclear how much the ants relied on sound for language but he suspected that further analysis would reveal a wider vocabulary than had been seen yet.

?The most important discovery is that within the ant colony different sounds can provoke different reactions,? he said. ?I would be very surprised if we didn't get different types of sound.

?It's within the power of the ant to play different tunes by changing the rhythm with which they rub.?

He added that the detection of the role of sounds provided the ?final piece of the jigsaw? to explain how Rebel's large blue caterpillars survive in ants' nests and should help to guide conservationists in trying to save the endangered European mountain species.

Francesca Barbero, of the University of Turin, said: ?Our new work shows that the role of sound in information exchange within ant colonies has been greatly underestimated.?

Karsten Sch?nrogge, of the Centre for Ecology & Hydrology in Oxfordshire, said the mimicry by the caterpillars was so convincing that the ants afforded them higher status than their own young. They will even slaughter their own young to feed the interlopers when food is scarce.

The findings were reported in the journal Science
Hills are alive with the sound of ants — talking to each other - Times Online



The Holy Quran is always in complete agreement with the scientific finidings.This proves that it reaaly revealed from Allah ( God).

Still no rational response to my questions? How do ants know what humans call them? How do they comprehend our language to a point of actual translation? Seeing that the ant cannot reproduce human vocal frequencies and vice-versa, direct translation and communications is not possible.

So how do we know what was said? A deity you say? Any evidence of this "deity" that doesn't turn into a circular because-the-book-says-so argument?

Naah, didn't think so.

Once again the ole fingers in ears, head in sand routine is about to be adopted,...over to you Sword.

[SIZE="3"]The Fameous Atheist Philosopher 'Anthony Flew' Announced that Indeed the Universe was Created!

'I Do Believe in God after all'[/SIZE]

One of the most renowned atheists of the past half century has changed his mind and decided that there is a God after all.

?As people have certainly been influenced by me, I want to try and correct the enormous damage I may have done.? (Anthony Flew)

The newspapers were echoing with these regret-filled words by Antony Flew, in his time a well-known atheist philosopher. The 81-year-old British professor of philosophy Flew chose to become an atheist at the age of 15, and first made a name for himself in the academic field with a paper published in 1950. In the 54 years that followed, he defended atheism as a teacher at the universities of Oxford, Aberdeen, Keele and Reading, at many American and Canadian universities he visited, in debates, books, lecture halls and articles. In recent days, however, Flew has announced that he has abandoned this error and accepts that the universe was created.

The decisive factor in this radical change of view is the clear and definitive evidence revealed by science on the subject of creation. Flew realized, in the face of the information-based complexity of life, that the true origin of life is intelligent design and that the atheism he had espoused for 66 years was a discredited philosophy.

Flew announced the scientific reasons underlying this change in belief in these terms:

?Biologists? investigation of DNA has shown, by the almost unbelievable complexity of the arrangements which are needed to produce [life], that intelligence must have been involved.? [1]

?It has become inordinately difficult even to begin to think about constructing a naturalistic theory of the evolution of that first reproducing organism.? [2]

?I have been persuaded that it is simply out of the question that the first living matter evolved out of dead matter and then developed into an extraordinarily complicated creature.? [3]

The DNA research which Flew cites as a fundamental reason for his change of opinion has indeed revealed striking facts about creation. The helix shape of the DNA molecule, its possession of the genetic code, the nucleotide strings that refute blind chance, the storage of encyclopedic quantities of information and many other striking findings have revealed that the structure and functions of this molecule were arranged for life with a special design. Comments by scientists concerned with DNA research bear witness to this fact.

Francis Crick, for instance, one of the scientists who revealed the helix shape of DNA admitted in the face of the findings regarding DNA that the origin of life indicated a miracle:

An honest man, armed with all the knowledge available to us now, could only state that in some sense, the origin of life appears at the moment to be almost a miracle, so many are the conditions which would have had to have been satisfied to get it going.[4]

Based on his calculations, Led Adleman of the University of Southern California in Los Angeles has stated that one gram of DNA can store as much information as a trillion compact discs.[5] Gene Myers, a scientist employed on the Human Genome Project, has said the following in the face of the miraculous arrangements he witnessed:

?What really astounds me is the architecture of life? The system is extremely complex. It?s like it was designed? There?s a huge intelligence there.?[6]

The most striking fact about DNA is that the existence of the coded genetic information can definitely not be explained in terms of matter and energy or natural laws. Dr. Werner Gitt, a professor at the German Federal Institute of Physics and Technology, has said this on the subject:

A code system is always the result of a mental process? It should be emphasized that matter as such is unable to generate any code. All experiences indicate that a thinking being voluntarily exercising his own free will, cognition, and creativity, is required? There is no known natural law through which matter can give rise to information, neither is any physical process or material phenomenon known that can do this.[7]

Creationist scientists and philosophers played a major role in Flew?s acceptance of intelligent design, backed up by all these findings. In recent times Flew participated in debates with scientists and philosophers who were proponents of creation, and exchanged ideas with them. The final turning point in that process was a discussion organized by the Institute for Metascientific Research in Texas in May, 2003. Professor Flew participated in the discussion together with the author, Roy Abraham Varghese, a physicist, and the molecular biologist, Gerald Schroeder. Flew was impressed by the weight of the scientific evidence in favor of creation and by the convincing nature of his opponents? arguments and abandoned atheism as an idea in the period following that discussion. In a letter he wrote for the August-September, 2003, edition of the British magazine Philosophy Now, he recommended Schroeder?s book ?The Hidden Face of God: Science Reveals the Ultimate Truth? and Varghese?s book ?The Wonderful World.?[8] During an interview with the professor of philosophy and theology Gary R. Habermas, who also played a major role in his change of mind,[9] and also on the video ?Has Science Discovered God?? he openly stated that he believed in intelligent design.


[SIZE="3"]The ?Intelligence Pervading the Universe? and the Collapse of Atheism[/SIZE]

In the face of all the scientific developments outlined above, the acceptance of intelligent design by Anthony Flew, famous for defending atheism for many years, reflects a final scene in the process of collapse which atheism is being subjected to Modern science has revealed the existence of an ?intelligence pervading the universe,? thus leaving atheism out of the equation.

In his book ?The Hidden Face of God," Gerald Schroeder, one of the creationist scientists who influenced Flew, writes:

A single consciousness, a universal wisdom, pervades the universe. The discoveries of science, those that search the quantum nature of subatomic matter, have moved us to the brink of a startling realization: all existence is the expression of this wisdom. In the laboratories we experience it as information that first physically articulated as energy and then condensed into the form of matter. Every particle, every being, from atom to human, appears to represent a level of information, of wisdom. [10]


Scientific research into both the functioning of the cell and the subatomic particles of matter has revealed this fact in an indisputable manner: Life and the universe were brought into being from nothing by the will of an entity possessed of a superior mind and wisdom. There is no doubt that the possessor of that knowledge and mind that designed the universe at all levels is Almighty Allah (God). Allah (God) reveals these truths in many verses of the Quran.



[SIZE="2"]References:[/SIZE]

[1] Richard N. Ostling, ?Lifelong atheist changes mind about divine creator,? The Washington Times 10 December 2004; (Washington Times - Lifelong atheist changes mind about divine creator.)

[2] Antony Flew, ?Letter from Antony Flew on Darwinism and Theology,? Philosophy Now; (Philosophy Now.)

[3] Stuart Wavell and Will Iredale, ?Sorry, says atheist-in-chief, I do believe in God after all,? The Sunday Times, 12 December 2004; (Sorry, says atheist-in-chief, I do believe in God after all - Times Online)

[4] Francis Crick, Life Itself: Its Origin and Nature, New York: Simon & Schuster, 1981, p. 88

[5] John Whitfield, ?Physicists plunder life?s tool chest?, 24 April 2003; (No article with this DOI : Nature News)

[6] San Francisco Chronicle, 19 February, 2001

[7] Werner Gitt, In the Beginning Was Information, CLV, Bielenfeld, Germany, pp. 64-7, 79

[8] Antony Flew, ?Letter from Antony Flew on Darwinism and Theology,? Philosophy Now; (Philosophy Now.)

[9] ?Atheist Becomes Theist: Exclusive Interview with Former Atheist Antony Flew;? (Biola > Page 1 : Biola News & Communications.)

[10] Gerald Schroeder, The Hidden Face of God, Touchstone, New York, 2001, p. xi.

There ya go, right on que. :thumbup:

"how do ants know what humans call them? I mean, according to your book... the ant addressed his brethren as "ants"

That Book (Quran ) is addressed to man.It described what transpired and what conversation took place.The Quran can simply describe the happenings as "they (the ants )were talking to each other' but God chose to be specific to enable ordinary people like us understand. Yes, ordinary mortals with God- given faculty of mind yet there are those who not only unbelieve but disbelieve as clear as daylight messages.

All those recordings are the same one. You guys are off your gourds.

This discussion is a bit old but my two cents worth.

First the sound heard is that of a community of ants just like you putting a mic in a market place, all you would here is noise.

Next the speech of birds, cats, dogs cannot be understood by us but that doesn't mean they don't communicate.

Thirdly communication is based on certain response, recording the queen ants conversation and replaying to the ants a number of times brings about the same response every time meaning they understand whats being said, whatever their form of language.

Fourthly if the question of Prophet Sulieman (Alaahi Salaam) understanding there conversation we are told he was blessed with certain powers beyond our realm. Its not strange or out of this world as how many times do we get to see people who get dreams of the future, see or understand things that are beyond us.

The whole idea is to understand the Quran is from the Most High who is infallible. Science is what is our understanding at the particular time and our resources, take Pluto for example, for how many years was it known as a planet? In the same way ants till 2009 no one knew ants talked to each other yet 1400 years earlier it was reveled in the Qur'an.

An extract from http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_ants_talk

Yes, contrary to common belief that was prevalent in society until the year 2009, it has now been scientifically proven that ants can talk to each other using sounds.

Advances in Audio Technology have enabled scientists to discover that ants routinely talk to each other in their nests. Ants communicate by stroking a natural 'washboard' on their abdomen with a body part that resembles a plectrum.

Using miniaturized microphones and speakers that can be inserted unobtrusively into Ants' nests, researchers have established that the queen Ants can issue instructions to other worker Ants.

References:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1137267/Getting-chest-Study-reveals-ants-talk-other.html#ixzz0ef84Cxaq
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article5672006.ece
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TS8fS9UyKE

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_ants_talk#ixzz1BsLtjfvI

Its not 'someone' who 'thinks' a creature's ability to communicate with others of its species automatically means it "speaks". The creator of everything and everyone says so in the Quran which proves the ants talk Or they speak to each other. Of course, not like we humans do.

Prophet Sulaiman was gifted with the ability to hear and understand these sounds. And Allah says in the Quran;
"Till, when they came to the valley of the ants, one of the ants said: 'O ants! enter Your dwellings, lest Sulaiman (prophet Solomon) and his hosts crush you, while they perceive not.' So He [Sulaiman (Solomon)] smiled, amused at her speech." (The Noble Quran; An-Naml: 18-19).

'That Book (Quran ) is addressed to man.It described what transpired and what conversation took place.The Quran can simply describe the happenings as "they (the ants )were talking to each other' but God chose to be specific to enable ordinary people like us understand. Yes, ordinary mortals with God- given faculty of mind yet there are those who not only unbelieve but disbelieve as clear as daylight messages.'
^ I angry with Ben Othman.

Allah knows better than anything or anyone. Because he created everything and all. (:

I had read that verse when I was 7 years old. I believed it right away. And until then, I always wondered when and how the scientists would finally find out that these tiny tiny ants talked to each other. Now after so many years of researching, they know. And that's Another New Quranic Scientific Miracle.

I wonder why any sane person would believe that an ant can speak - not having the physiological ability to - not enough air volume in what passes as their lungs (especially not to create enough sound to a level audible to human ears), no lips and no tongue to shape the words , and likely nothing that remotely resembles a voice box to create the vibration that is shaped by the tongue & lips to form words (not to mention the lack of a brain that is capable of forming language - something almost irrelevant next the fact that they can't physiologically form words)

All I can conclude is that people who believe such wilfully blind themselves to the reality of it.

Faith by the way, has never equalled wilful blindness.

abc news:Ants actually talk to each other !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvZNEkbJkBk&feature=player_embedded

Must ants have the exact physiological features as humans for them to be able to speak to each other? I believe "speaking" in this context are more accurately defined as "communicating by emitting & receiving audio signals". As the sources have pointed out, the ants produce & receive audio comms by their own specialized body parts, wilfully and intelligently (as opposed to random behaviour). To refute that is to refute those much highly qualified scientists who are authoritative experts in their field.

Here's another interesting titbit related to that verse: The gender of the ant speaker was explicitly stated as female (using the feminine version of the arabic word for ant). Guess what gender do worker ants consist of? I presume it is safe to say that 1400 years ago humans don't yet know how to discern ants' gender beyond the physically obvious queen.