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Muhammad the Prophet of Islam was a Rapist

 
 
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2007 04:46 am
@z0z0,
Go to Hell, Azmir.
Dmizer
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2007 12:12 pm
@z0z0,
Azmir,
To use the internet as a reliable source of information is in itself defeating your arguement. The internet is so rife with misinformation, that you should seek out other sources to support your arguement. If no other sources are available to support your arguement then you can be sure it is not credible.
Islam is infamous for it's intolerance and hatred. Christianity and Jews can also be cited throughout history as showing the same characteristics. However in the last couple of hundred years Islam has become a class unto itself with regards to barbarism. The stoning of women (honor killing), the lack of education and of course terrorism specifically against innocents are only a few present day examples. Slavery of African Americans is perhaps the most overlooked form of barbarism in history. The entire African American population that resents the enslavement of their ancestors has the Islamic nations to thank for the lurid history of slavery in the past 400 years.

When Islam does something honorable and good for the sake of mankind (all of mankind) let me know, until then it is just a man made religion used by fanatics bent on world domination. Who will apparently use any method, no matter how evil, to achieve its means. Tough to defend your religion with that kind of track record!
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Thu 17 May, 2007 04:53 pm
@z0z0,
Good on ya, Laddy. Good on ya.
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Azmr
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2007 12:34 am
@Pinochet73,
Pinochet73, Hold your horses there old man.

Dmizer, The internet is the source of everything. Its the sources from televised media, the paper, books, scriptures and opinions and whatever ive missed. There is false interpretations here and there, i agree, thats why you thoroughly search and compare, so what the hell you smoking. If the internet isnt reliable, what is? :beat:

Tough to defend your religion with that kind of track record!

.......your right and its very difficult to conversate with an sheep.
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Dmizer
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2007 10:53 am
@z0z0,
"The internet is the source of everything.."
Azmr,
By making that statement you are showing your age. I understand why you are so naive and easily influenced now. As you grow older you will come to understand the mistakes of your youth. I noticed that you called me a sheep, and yet not only did you avoid trying defend Islams track record, but you redirected back at me the fact that I am unwilling to believe everything I read. How exactly does that make me a sheep? I assume because your are unable to defend Islam's track record that you resort to name calling that has no basis. Sad really, I was hoping for more from you, but taking into account your age and intellect, I see I was asking to much.

Please don't respond hap-hazardly, have something intelligent to say with regard to our argument over Islam. Tossing insults should be left to those who have nothing better to say!
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markx15
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2007 12:05 pm
@z0z0,
Drnizer you mean to tell me that out of the 1.3billion muslims spread around the world all of them practice their religion as you are so clearly sumerizing? On another note, it doesn't matter where people started enslaving humans, what matters is who did it. Globalization is fairly modern, I am sure that if you give it time, once most people world wide are conected to the internet one culture will surely greatly influence the other, there is no other possiblity except compromise, or the complete dissolution of any form of diversity. Islam definatly has done much in influencing its followers, and the fact that not nearly every muslim is a terrorist means that to the majority it has been a good influence.
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Dmizer
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2007 12:40 pm
@z0z0,
markx15,
I take it your are speaking as a male, but would you hold the same opinnion if you were female? I only ask because if you were a female then as a principle of Islam your opinnion would not matter. You must understand that when you subgigate (excuse my spelling) half of the worlds population to servitude and humiliation simply because they are female then you lose credability with all of those who respect females for who and what they are.
Not to put to fine a point on it, but search out the news story and video that was on many of the news stations. It was a story about a 17 year old girl who happened to have associated with a boy of another sect of Islam different then the one her own family subscribed to. Her own family members dragged her out into the street, and as a very large crowd as well as Islamic security forces looked on, the crowd stoned her to death. They crowd chanted encouragement and people were interviewed that supported the "honor killing" as their right under Islam.
So excuse me if I don't see much validity in your statement...."Islam definatly has done much in influencing its followers, and the fact that not nearly every muslim is a terrorist means that to the majority it has been a good influence."

I ask....no I plead, please show one good thing that Islam has contributed to the world in the last 100 years? Anyone?
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Reagaknight
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2007 12:46 pm
@z0z0,
Isam has done a lot of good for the world. It's made us see just how good Western Civilization is.
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Pinochet73
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2007 05:39 pm
@z0z0,
Amen. Islam is barbaric. It represents the ascendancy of barbarism in religion and society. It can't be reasoned with, or trusted. It's a curse for any society in which it settles. It should be restricted to the Middle East and Indonesia.
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Azmr
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2007 06:17 pm
@Pinochet73,
To show you how much of a ignorant sheep you are, read what it says about Woman in Islam by the Quran and The Sunnah. Females in Islam is equal to man, Dont stereotype muslims because a few mistreat them, In Islam females are treated with more respect than the Christian counterparts:

In Islam there is absolutely no difference between men and women as far as their relationship to Allah is concerned, as both are promised the same reward for good conduct and the same punishment for evil conduct. The Qur'an says:

And for women are rights over men similar to those of men over women. (2:226)

The Qur'an, in addressing the believers, often uses the expression,'believing men and women' to emphasize the equality of men and women in regard to their respective duties, rights, virtues and merits. It says:

For Muslim men and women, for believing men and women, for devout men and women, for true men and women, for men and women who are patient and constant, for men and women who humble themselves, for men and women who give in charity, for men and women who fast, for men and women who guard their chastity, and for men and women who engage much in Allah's praise, for them has Allah prepared forgiveness and great reward. (33:35)

This clearly contradicts the assertion of the Christian Fathers that women do not possess souls and that they will exist as sexless beings in the next life. The Qur'an says that women have souls in exactly the same way as men and will enter Paradise if they do good :

Enter into Paradise, you and your wives, with delight. (43:70)

Who so does that which is right, and believes, whether male or female, him or her will We quicken to happy life. (16:97)

The Qur'an admonishes those men who oppress or ill-treat women:

O you who believe! You are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should you treat them with harshness, that you may take away part of the dowry you have given them - except when they have become guilty of open lewdness. On the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If you take a dislike to them, it may be that you dislike something and Allah will bring about through it a great deal of good. (4:19)

Considering the fact that before the advent of Islam the pagan Arabs used to bury their female children alive, make women dance naked in the vicinity of the Ka'ba during their annual fairs, and treat women as mere chattels and objects of sexual pleasure possessing no rights or position whatsoever, these teachings of the Noble Qur'an were revolutionary. Unlike other religions, which regarded women as being possessed of inherent sin and wickedness and men as being possessed of inherent virtue and nobility, Islam regards men and women as being of the same essence created from a single soul. The Qur'an declares:

O mankind! Reverence your Guardian-Lord, who created you from a single person, created, of like nature, his mate, and from this pair scattered (like seeds) countless men and women. Reverence Allah, through Whom you demand your mutual (rights), and reverence the wombs (that bore you); for Allah ever watches over you. (4:1)

The Prophet of Islam (peace be upon him) said, "Women are the twin halves of men." The Qur'an emphasizes the essential unity of men and women in a most beautiful simile:

They (your wives) are your garment and you are a garment for them. (2:187)

Just as a garment hides our nakedness, so do husband and wife, by entering into the relationship of marriage, secure each other's chastity. The garment gives comfort to the body; so does the husband find comfort in his wife's company and she in his. "The garment is the grace, the beauty, the embellishment of the body, so too are wives to their husbands as their husbands are to them." Islam does not consider woman "an instrument of the Devil", but rather the Qur'an calls her muhsana - a fortress against Satan because a good woman, by marrying a man, helps him keep to the path of rectitude in his life. It is for this reason that marriage was considered by the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) as a most virtuous act. He said: "When a man marries, he has completed one half of his religion." He enjoined matrimony on Muslims by saying: "Marriage is part of my way and whoever keeps away from my way is not from me (i.e. is not my follower)." The Qur'an has given the raison d'�tre of marriage in the following words:

And among His signs is this, that He has created for you mates from among yourselves, that you may dwell in tranquillity with them; and He has put love and mercy between you. Verily in that are signs for those who reflect. (30:21)

The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was full of praise for virtuous and chaste women. He said:

"The world and all things in the world are precious but the most precious thing in the world is a virtuous woman. He once told the future khalif, 'Umar: "Shall I not inform you about the best treasure a man can hoard? It is a virtuous wife who pleases him whenever he looks towards her, and who guards herself when he is absent from her."

On other occasions the Prophet said:

"The best property a man can have is a remembering tongue (about Allah), a grateful heart and a believing wife who helps him in his faith." And again: "The world, the whole of it, is a commodity and the best of the commodities of the world is a virtuous wife."

Before the advent of Islam women were often treated worse than animals. The Prophet wanted to put a stop to all cruelties to women. He preached kindness towards them. He told the Muslims: "Fear Allah in respect of women." And: "The best of you are they who behave best to their wives." And: "A Muslim must not hate his wife, and if he be displeased with one bad quality in her, let him be pleased with one that is good." And:"The more civil and kind a Muslim is to his wife, the more perfect in faith he is."The Prophet (peace be upon him) was most emphatic in enjoining upon Muslims to be kind to their women when he delivered his famous khutba on the Mount of Mercy at Arafat in the presence of one hundred and twenty-four thousand of his Companions who had gathered there for the Hajj al-Wada (Farewell Pilgrimage). In it he ordered those present, and through them all those Muslims who were to come later, to be respectful and kind towards women. He said:


"Fear Allah regarding women. Verily you have married them with the trust of Allah, and made their bodies lawful with the word of Allah. You have got (rights) over them, and they have got (rights) over you in respect of their food and clothing according to your means."

In Islam a woman is a completely independent personality. She can make any contract or bequest in her own name. She is entitled to inherit in her position as mother, as wife, as sister and as daughter. She has perfect liberty to choose her husband. The pagan society of pre-Islamic Arabia had an irrational prejudice against their female children whom they used to bury alive. The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) was totally opposed to this practice. He showed them that supporting their female children would act as a screen for them against the fire of Hell:

It is narrated by the Prophet's wife, 'A'isha, that a woman entered her house with two of her daughters. She asked for charity but 'A'isha could not find anything except a date, which was given to her. The woman divided it between her two daughters and did not eat any herself. Then she got up and left. When the Prophet (peace be upon him) came to the house, 'A'isha told him about what had happened and he declared that when the woman was brought to account (on the Day of Judgment) about her two daughters they would act as a screen for her from the fires of Hell.
The worst calamity for a woman is when her husband passes away and, as a widow, the responsibility of maintaining the children falls upon her. In the Eastern World, where a woman does not always go out to earn her living, the problems of widowhood are indescribable. The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) upheld the cause of widows. Most of his wives were widows. In an age when widows were rarely permitted to remarry, the Prophet encouraged his followers to marry them. He was always ready to help widows and exhorted his followers to do the same. Abu Hurairah reported that the Prophet said: "One who makes efforts (to help) the widow or a poor person is like a mujahid (warrior) in the path of Allah, or like one who stands up for prayers in the night and fasts in the day."
Woman as mother commands great respect in Islam. The Noble Qur'an speaks of the rights of the mother in a number of verses. It enjoins Muslims to show respect to their mothers and serve them well even if they are still unbelievers. The Prophet states emphatically that the rights of the mother are paramount. Abu Hurairah reported that a man came to the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) and asked: "O Messenger of Allah, who is the person who has the greatest right on me with regards to kindness and attention?" He replied, "Your mother." "Then who?" He replied, "Your mother." "Then who?" He replied, "Your mother." "Then who?" He replied, "Your father."

In another tradition, the Prophet advised a believer not to join the war against the Quraish in defense of Islam, but to look after his mother, saying that his service to his mother would be a cause of his salvation. Mu'awiyah, the son of Jahimah, reported that Jahimah came to the Prophet (peace be upon him) and said, " Messenger of Allah! I want to join the fighting (in the path of Allah) and I have come to seek your advice." He said, "Then remain in your mother's service, because Paradise is under her feet."

The Prophet's followers accepted his teachings and brought about a revolution in their social attitude towards women. They no longer considered women as a mere chattels, but as an integral part of society. For the first time women were given the right to have a share in inheritance. In the new social climate, women rediscovered themselves and became highly active members of society rendering useful service during the wars which the pagan Arabs forced on the emerging Muslim umma. They carried provisions for the soldiers, nursed them, and even fought alongside them if it was necessary. It became a common sight to see women helping their husbands in the fields, carrying on trade and business independently, and going out of their homes to satisfy their needs.

'A'isha reported that Saudah bint Zam'ah went out one night. 'Umar saw her and recognized her and said, "By God, O Saudah, why do you not hide yourself from us?" She went back to the Prophet (peace be upon him) and told him about it while he was having supper in her room, and he said, "It is permitted by Allah for you to go out for your needs." The predominant idea in the teachings of Islam with regard to men and women is that a husband and wife should be full-fledged partners in making their home a happy and prosperous place, that they should be loyal and faithful to one another, and genuinely interested in each other's welfare and the welfare of their children. A woman is expected to exercise a humanizing influence over her husband and to soften the sternness inherent in his nature. A man is enjoined to educate the women in his care so that they cultivate the qualities in which they, by their very nature, excel.

These aspects were much emphasized by the Prophet (peace be upon him). He exhorted men to marry women of piety and women to be faithful to their husbands and kind to their children. He said:

"Among my followers the best of men are those who are best to their wives, and the best of women are those who are best to their husbands. To each of such women is set down a reward equivalent to the reward of a thousand martyrs. Among my followers, again, the best of women are those who assist their husbands in their work, and love them dearly for everything, save what is a transgression of Allah's laws."
Once Mu'awiyah asked the Prophet (peace be upon him), "What are the rights that a wife has over her husband?" The Prophet replied, "Feed her when you take your food, give her clothes to wear when you wear clothes, refrain from giving her a slap on the face or abusing her, and do not separate from your wife, except within the house." Once a woman came to the Prophet with a complaint against her husband. He told her: "There is no woman who removes something to replace it in its proper place, with a view to tidying her husband's house, but that Allah sets it down as a virtue for her. Nor is there a man who walks with his wife hand-in-hand, but that Allah sets it down as a virtue for him; and if he puts his arm round her shoulder in love, his virtue is increased tenfold." Once he was heard praising the women of the tribe of Quraish, "...because they are the kindest to their children while they are infants and because they keep a careful watch over the belongings of their husbands."
The Shari'ah regards women as the spiritual and intellectual equals of men. The main distinction it makes between them is in the physical realm based on the equitable principle of fair division of labor. It allots the more strenuous work to the man and makes him responsible for the maintenance of the family. It allots the work of managing the home and the upbringing and training of children to the woman, work which has the greatest importance in the task of building a healthy and prosperous society.

It is a fact, however, that sound administration within the domestic field is impossible without a unified policy. For this reason the Shari'ah requires a man, as head of the family, to consult with his family and then to have the final say in decisions concerning it. In doing so he must not abuse his prerogative to cause any injury to his wife. Any transgression of this principle involves for him the risk of losing the favor of Allah, because his wife is not his subordinate but she is, to use the words of the Prophet (peace be upon him), 'the queen of her house', and this is the position a true believer is expected to give his wife. In contrast to these enlightened teachings of Islam in respect of women, Western talk of women's liberation or emancipation is actually a disguised form of exploitation of her body, deprivation of her honor, and degradation of her soul!
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Azmr
 
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Reply Fri 18 May, 2007 06:20 pm
@z0z0,
Yes i am very young and still learning, nothing is worse than an old blind ignorant old man that watches too much shi'ite, and taleban stories.
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Sat 19 May, 2007 12:15 am
@z0z0,
When are you Moderate's gonna take back your religion from the fanatics that have a strangle hold on it?
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Azmr
 
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Reply Sat 19 May, 2007 12:59 am
@z0z0,
^ Drnaline, How is that possible. Its like stopping piracy.
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Sat 19 May, 2007 06:41 am
@z0z0,
"How is that possible."

Start with this: all you Muslims who know exactly where OBL is in Pakistan, go forth and kill him and his followers, on your own volition, using your own intricate knowledge of the area and its demographics. Then, tell the international press what you did and why. That would be a great start.

"Its like stopping piracy."

Be honest here. Deep down, most Muslims are very sympathetic to Al Qaeda. You know that. That's the root-problem driving this scenario.
Pinochet73
 
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Reply Sat 19 May, 2007 06:44 am
@z0z0,
I'm afraid that in the final analysis, the West can't have it both ways. It cannot tolerate Islam within its borders, while fighting it on foreign battlefields. This is a war of religion and culture. We're deluding ourselves to think otherwise. It's simply a matter of time and many more millions of gallons of spilled blood before we realize this obvioius fact.
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Dmizer
 
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Reply Sat 19 May, 2007 08:39 am
@z0z0,
Azmr,
Are you reading the same text that you posted? The examples you gave from the Quran do not say what you are implying.

"For Muslim men and women, for believing men and women, for devout men and women, for true men and women, for men and women who are patient and constant, for men and women who humble themselves, for men and women who give in charity, for men and women who fast, for men and women who guard their chastity, and for men and women who engage much in Allah's praise, for them has Allah prepared forgiveness and great reward." (33:35)
All this says is that men and woman who are devout in their beliefs of Islam will be rewarded in kind. Nothing about equal standing in society.

As a matter of fact your next quote proves my point:
"Enter into Paradise, you and your wives, with delight." (43:70)
Notice how the word "wives" denotes a plural. Yeah thats fair to women. So if Islam is so fair can a women in Islam have plural Husbands? Equality right? If a muslim man can have multiple wives then a woman should be able to have multiple husbands. Can't wait for your response to this one!

"O you who believe! You are forbidden to inherit women against their will. Nor should you treat them with harshness, that you may take away part of the dowry you have given them - except when they have become guilty of open lewdness. On the contrary live with them on a footing of kindness and equity. If you take a dislike to them, it may be that you dislike something and Allah will bring about through it a great deal of good." (4:19)

I love the wording of this particular quote you used. There is all kinds of exclusions in it to allow muslim men to treat women as they see fit. Example... "except when they have become guilty of open lewdness"; boy thats a broad stroke, alot of room for interpetation, of which it appears they make full use of. (Honor killings)
" If you take a dislike to them, it may be that you dislike something and Allah will bring about through it a great deal of good." (4:19)
This is a perfect example, if a man takes dislike to his wife, apparently for any reason, then Allah will bring about a great deal of good from it for the man not the woman. Allah is talking to men in this verse telling them he will make good to the man if he is unhappy with his wife for any reason. Doesn't even have to be a good reason, Classic!

"Fear Allah regarding women. Verily you have married them with the trust of Allah, and made their bodies lawful with the word of Allah. You have got (rights) over them, and they have got (rights) over you in respect of their food and clothing according to your means"
So this one is saying a woman is not lawful until a man posess's her in marriage. And last but not least you prove my point for me, Men have rights over women and women only have rights with respect to doing the laundry and cooking meals as long as it is within the means of the husband to provide. Another classic, Thanks Azmr you did my home work for me and proved my point. Lord knows what else it says in the Quran about woman if this is the best defense you can come up with!
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Dubasoft
 
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Reply Sat 19 May, 2007 04:23 pm
@Pinochet73,
"How is that possible."

Start with this: all you Muslims who know exactly where OBL is in Pakistan, go forth and kill him and his followers, on your own volition, using your own intricate knowledge of the area and its demographics. Then, tell the international press what you did and why. That would be a great start.

"Its like stopping piracy."

Be honest here. Deep down, most Muslims are very sympathetic to Al Qaeda. You know that. That's the root-problem driving this scenario.


Ok Ok OBL is hiding in 74 kabul street. near the curry shop on the corner, he has a green T55 tank parked outside. Ok you happy now. CANT WE ALL GET ALONG NOW!!
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Dubasoft
 
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Reply Sat 19 May, 2007 04:28 pm
@z0z0,
you know what?

You would think with all its technology, intelligence and it ally Pakistan they could of got him. What about Tora Bora why didnt they get him there?

Why? Because if they get OBL now the war will be over and there will be nobody to chase? No money to make. No scapegoat to use to justify there agenda!

Ka poooww
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Reagaknight
 
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Reply Sat 19 May, 2007 06:22 pm
@z0z0,
Everyone get in the shelter! Someone is deliberately trying to piss off Pino!
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Drnaline
 
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Reply Sat 19 May, 2007 07:11 pm
@Azmr,
Azmr;16625 wrote:
^ Drnaline, How is that possible. Its like stopping piracy.
How do you know it's not possible untill you try?
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