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I'm going out on a metaphisical limb here

What is the origin of hatred? The origin of hatred can be considered as begining from misunderstanding, but why is there misunderstanding? Are we not all made from the same? I can understand the presence of misunderstanding now, but how could it ever start? Temptation? If so how could there exist temptation in the beginning? What is it?s origin? God? By definition could anything a perfect being create not be perfect? Go with me here, if some being has been around for eternity and will continue to infinity, and has always been the same, immutable, then how can it conceive of imperfection? This might just be a case of misinterpretation of the word perfect (without flaw), but if that is the meaning implied, how could there even exist good or bad in the beginning? Perfection and imperfection? Is that just it, there was no beginning? There was however a beginning of time itself, or else it could not exist now, and if that is the differential, is it that time effects intelligence? Or is it something else entirely? Supposing that it is time that so plagues intelligence, why would ?God? put such a burden on us? Unless as a test? So to achieve it is to gain freedom from the shackles of time, perhaps that is heaven: complete freedom. Maybe that is why the urge for liberty seems inborn to all societies and eras.
Considering a possibility of truth in the previous statement, the test needed to achieve ?freedom? would be through life (as I can think of no other possible test if not life. Can you? If so then why is there life as we know it?), but what would be the correct way to live? And what would happen if you did not live that way? What if you did not live by these standards because you were unaware of them? What then would be your penance?

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@markx15,

James 1:14-15

"but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed. Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death"

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@markx15,

The question is what is this "evil desire"? And how did it begin? And how is the right way to act? How could I avoid something that I do not fully comprehend? Even if I atempted to, it would be something out of obiedience(forced upon), and not free will. Why are we intelligent at all if all we ever do is obey?Is that really how "God" made us?

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@markx15,

BibleGateway.com - Passage?Lookup: Romans 7

If this link doesn't work... read Romans Chapter 7

Read it all but pay close attention to verses 14-25

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@markx15,

Satan ( a fallen angel ) leads us to sin . It is his way of fighting God.

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@markx15,

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Satan ( a fallen angel ) leads us to sin . It is his way of fighting God.

Do you believe in Satan literally, I mean as an idividual? Or is he a metaforical figure? Incorporating every aspect of life in which you swerve from "God's" path.

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@markx15,

I believe in him as an individual. Thats the way the Bible refers to him. He is there to destroy God's creations.. namely.. you.

1 Peter 5:7-9

"Cast all your anxiety on him because he cares for you. Be self-controlled and alert. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. Resist him, standing firm in the faith, because you know that your brothers throughout the world are undergoing the same kind of sufferings.'

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@GoodBoy,

Once there was an evil galactic emperor named Xenu, and he sent prisoners
from all across the cosmos to the planet now known as earth, then called
Theta. In a fit he once ordered them all sumarily executed, and when an
innocent race naturally evolved on planet earth, the souls of these long-ago
murdered Thetans fought to take possesion of the minds and bodies of the
innocent earthlings, compelling them to indulge in the behaviors that had
led to their imprisonment.

That's the scientology explanation. Just as plausible as the "devil made me do it"
thing in my opinion.

Human beings are animals... animals have natural instincts and certain genetic
factors that determine dominance in a group. Dominance by one or a group
within a group means a certain amount of subjugation for others in the group,
and that leads to resentment, hatred and resistance/violence, as well as a
view of the subordinated as inferior and a resentment by the dominant group.

Add in resources or items assigned value within a group and it adds more reasons
to fight for dominance and more resentment.

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@markx15,

Very true.

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@Drnaline,

hatred in action = Hezbollah and Hamas

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@markx15,

I see Satan as a metaphor for sin in it's many forms .

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@Curmudgeon,

Satan in action = Hezbollah and Hamas

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@markx15,

1 Corinthians 1:24-27

"but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength.

Brothers, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth. But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong."

1 Corinthians 2:14

"The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned."

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@GoodBoy,

I really can't stand it when someone preaches to me...go thump your bible somewhere else...go convert the Muslims.

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@markx15,

He didn't post it directly to you. He didn't address it to anyone. He also didn't put, read this and be saved. He just quoted some stuff from the bible that is all.

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@Drnaline,

And this is a debate forum not a tea party so l have commented on his comment. Go thump a bible and preach to the Muslims!!!! Save your breath on me, l know the bible very well...

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@markx15,

It wasn't to anyone. The Holy Spirit convicts on its own.

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@GoodBoy,

Oh come on!! What a wimpy answer, you posted it for a reason...and since you started it you might as well be honest, after all your hand is on the bible...

and that is the first time that l heard anyone say that the Holy Spirit convicts...I think you are confused, the Holy Spirit may convince...but 'convicts' implies imprisionment, and while some do indeed see it as an imprisionment, the Holy Spirti, and the Bible or Torah, whichever, is not meant to be interpreted as an imprisionment, it is meant to be the opposite, freedom.

get real and be honest about why you posted it.

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@markx15,

The Holy Spirit convicts the heart of those it chooses to. I posted it for that exact reason.. to see who's heart would be convicted. I chose nobody, I simply ran it up the flagpole to see who saluted.

1 Corinthians 2:14

"The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned."

It brings up another verse which applies here..
Hebrews 4:12

"For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart."

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@GoodBoy,

Oh well, whatever, be convicted if you like, but this thread is on hatred...l was really hoping to get a nice conversation going, this is boring to tears...

Jesus saved me a long, long time ago...unfortuately the Jews weren't convicted of anything but putting nails through the hands and feet of those they didn't like...

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