The Vatican agrees: No to Intelligent Design in schools

I know not of anyone in the ID field that is trying to abolish the Big Bang theory. Do you have an example? I am talking about what todays scienctists theorize our origins are. There theory have forced many that were atheist/agnostic in the field to now believe that there is/was a force that caused this. And now believe in a higher being. Einstein was one.

If you believe the reaction theory i don't have to argue about our universe, it is fact and i think you have to agree. But have yet to answer? And pending your answer i would like your opinion on the cause? Because to be scientific there had to be one. If you think not, then you don't believe in one of the first rules of science? If you don't believe in that how am i to take your other premise that we arrived where we are today because of chance happenings from primordial soup?



Answer the first question before you start jumping in line. Caused or uncaused? Why would you say i mock people that believe in the BB when i am one of them? To me that proves there is a god. I believe he was the trigger that created all our existence. If you want to call it an alien lifeforce or the purple spagetti monster thats fine too. But the fact remains that we did come from somewhere. Do you have a better explanation then what are scientists believe today?

I can not say I believe there was a trigger because I have no proof of it.

What was the trigger that caused God to become in existence?

Where do we stop with the reactions that happen?

You take everything I say way to damn literal. I know you believe in God so when I say you do not believe in the Big Bang Theory, I mean you do not believe it the way that non religous scientists do. Just work with me here. I realize you believe in God

So you don't believe for every action there is an equal and opposing reaction?

Your trying to change the subject! So by your question you are saying there is a god? Because to ask that question there would have to be one right? or are you justifing a double negative, not very scientific?



We will stop when you answer my scientific question. We are debating about ID in school. And why it ain't Science or scientific in your opinion but you won't elaborate.



I am using the non religious definition of which you use. If most of scienctists believe this theory to be fact, it is good enough for me that there is a higher force, for me that force is God. I didn't come up with the theory, they did. But it does prove my point.

lol changing the subject eh?

Sounds like you got a question you can not answer to me.

You say there must be a trigger. I ask what was that trigger for god.

Hardly changing the subject.

Something did cause this universe to come into existence. I agree to that.

There was a reaction.

Now tell me what the reaction was for God.

Did another God trigger God to become God?

End the madness

We can only partially comprehend the notion of God's existence. To do so, we must use human concepts to speak of God: "without beginning or end"; "eternal"; "infinite", etc. The Bible says that He has always existed: " . . . even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God" (Psalm 90:2). And, "Your throne is established from of old; Thou art from everlasting" (Psalm 93:2). Quite simply, God has no beginning and no end. So, where did God come from? He didn't. He always was.
To us, the notion of time is linear. One second follows the next, one minute is after another. We get older, not younger and we cannot repeat the minutes that have passed us by. We have all seen the time lines on charts: early time is on the left and later time is on the right. We see nations, people's lives, and plans mapped out on straight lines from left to right. We see a beginning and an end. But God is "beyond the chart." He has no beginning or end. He simply has always been.
Also, physics has shown that time is a property that is the result of the existence of matter. Time exists when matter exists. Time has even been called the fourth dimension. But God is not matter. In fact, God created matter. He created the universe. So, time began when God created the universe. Before that, God was simply existing and time had no meaning (except conceptually), no relation to Him. Therefore, to ask where God came from is to ask a question that cannot really be applied to God in the first place. Because time has no meaning with God in relation to who He is, eternity is also not something that can be absolutely related to God. God is even beyond eternity.
Eternity is a term that we finite creatures use to express the concept of something that has no end -- and/or no beginning. Since God has no beginning or end, He has no beginning. This is because He is outside of time.

Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God

So, where did God come from? He didn't. He always was.

lol changing the subject eh?

Sounds like you got a question you can not answer to me.

You say there must be a trigger. I ask what was that trigger for god.

Hardly changing the subject.

Something did cause this universe to come into existence. I agree to that.

There was a reaction.

Now tell me what the reaction was for God.

Did another God trigger God to become God?

End the madness

lol changing the subject eh?

Sounds like you got a question you can not answer to me.

Hardly changing the subject.

Something did cause this universe to come into existence. I agree to that.

There was a reaction.

Now tell me what the reaction was for God.

Did another God trigger God to become God?

End the madness