The Vatican agrees: No to Intelligent Design in schools

Who cares what the Vatican says?

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/19/science/sciencespecial2/19evolution.html?th&emc=th

Read up boys and girls. The mighty Vatican hath spoken.

I agree, ID should be left out of school. Instead of pushing legislation that puts fairy tails into our public school system. If there is a problem with the way that evolution is currently being taught in High Schools this needs to be addressed appropriately, not buy adding to the problem by teaching kids something that is even more impossible to prove.

Left out of school or left out of science class? Fairy tales, believe the one about the Big Bang? You only care about evolution in high school, what about middle school and after high? More impossible, Caused or uncaused/cause?

I do not believe in the Big Bang, it can not be proven, I was never taught that it was the truth. I guess I was lucky to have good teachers throught my life?

I believe in what I can see with my own two eyes and I make educated guesses about the rest. I see nothing that shows me that there is a God that rules over us.

I see poverty, I see hate, I see miserable people living out their lives with no hope because society will not give them a chance.

No matter how you throw the dice not everyone can be rich in America even if everyone gave 100%

Our economy is not setup that way. Our economy is setup to have poor people, middle income people, and the bill gates. You can not sit there and tell me everyone has the same oppurtunity to make something of themselves.

To take a happy family and tear it apart with pain of the tragic death of a loved one is not something a compassionate God does

But it is very scientific isn't it? Taught in scince class and it can't be proven?

Then you don't believe in Gravity?

Keep waiting for a chance while the world passes you by. Your chance comes up when you stand up.

Never try, then what are your chances?

You can thank Demos for that.

You blame god for that, who pulled the trigger?

Sorry you have had such a bad life. Religion is not your ememy. You are. Take it for what it is worth. Your young yet, there is still time to come to your senses.

****, I'll start a church and declare myself the leader. Give my church several generations and we'll be powerful, then just because somebody at some point decided they were going to be holier-than-thou, people should care what we say?

Evolution is in no way taught as a theory at institutes of higher education, at least not at UAB. I should know, I'm a biology major and have been listening to it for the past year and a half.

So they teach it as fact then? So to do so they need to back it up with actual scientific evidence?

Nate, teaching ID in a science class is not appropriate imo. ID has nothing to do with science and can not be supported by science. Evolution does happen and can be proven in todays life. Now whether we came from Monkies or not that is not what is important. Evolution exists in some form and can be proven with science.

Why teach ID in a science class???? How does that fit?

How intelligent design theory works:


i. Observation:
The ways that intelligent agents act can be observed in the natural world and described. When intelligent agents act, it is observed that they produce high levels of "complex-specified information" (CSI). CSI is basically a scenario which is unlikely to happen (making it complex), and conforms to a pattern (making it specified). Language and machines are good examples of things with much CSI. From our understanding of the world, high levels of CSI are always the product of intelligent design.24

ii. Hypothesis:
If an object in the natural world was designed, then we should be able to examine that object and find the same high levels of CSI in the natural world as we find in human-designed objects.

iii. Experiment:
We can examine biological structures to test if high CSI exists. When we look at natural objects in biology, we find many machine-like structures which are specified, because they have a particular arrangement of parts which is necessary for them to function, and complex because they have an unlikely arrangement of many interacting parts. These biological machines are "irreducibly complex," for any change in the nature or arrangement of these parts would destroy their function. Irreducibly complex structures cannot be built up through an alternative theory, such as Darwinian evolution, because Darwinian evolution requires that a biological structure be functional along every small-step of its evolution. "Reverse engineering" of these structures shows that they cease to function if changed even slightly.

iv. Conclusion:
Because they exhibit high levels of CSI, a quality known to be produced only by intelligent design, and because there is no other known mechanism to explain the origin of these "irreducibly complex" biological structures, we conclude that they were intelligently designed.

Yeah, they teach us facts, or what they call facts anyways, about evolution. Yeah, I believe in evolution, to a point. It's hard for me to believe that i came from the same piece of **** that created the virus that's made me sick for a week.

Why do we have need for a beginning?

It is taught in science because it is offered with scientific explanation



That is where the educated guess comes in I guess I jump and I fall down. Hince that leads me to believe that Gravity does exist. I can feel wind blowing. I can conclude that wind exists. I can breath. I can confirm that air exists.



I am waiting for no such chance. However I have been given oppurtunity based on my parents outcome to do what I want to do. Oppurtunity is not there for everyone.



I never said anything about not trying. I do know that if everyone in this country strived to be a millionaire and put 110% into this effort our economy would collapse What millionaire is going to fix your burger at BK?



Is there anything the republicans can do wrong? How can the republicans create an economy where if everyone put 110% hard work into thier life they could live like Bill Gates? Are you ready to sacrifice the "American Way" for this?



I blame God for nothing because he doesn't exist What trigger is it you speak of? She was killed in a car accident.



My life is far from bad and that is not how I wanted my response to come across. My experience with religion however was. I have a great life. Very happy with it. I just have my problems with religion.

I don't look forward to the day that coming to my senses means believing in something that doesn't exist

It is taught in science because it is offered with scientific explanation

That is where the educated guess comes in I guess I jump and I fall down. Hince that leads me to believe that Gravity does exist.

I am waiting for no such chance. However I have been given oppurtunity based on my parents outcome to do what I want to do. Oppurtunity is not there for everyone. [/qoute]
It is nice to of had opportunity handed to you. But for those without such an advantasge you must manufacture your chance. Opportunity is there for every one who can recognized it when it happens not if it happens.

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I never said anything about not trying. I do know that if everyone in this country strived to be a millionaire and put 110% into this effort our economy would collapse What millionaire is going to fix your burger at BK?

I think there have been many millionaires that flipped burgers. You gotta start some where. The cirlcle of life always keeps it stocked with workers trying to make it. Why would you work period if not to perpetuate you life. If it takes a million than you better try and make a million and so on.

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Is there anything the republicans can do wrong? How can the republicans create an economy where if everyone put 110% hard work into thier life they could live like Bill Gates? Are you ready to sacrifice the "American Way" for this?

Sure there is plenty we can do wrong, we are human too. The repugs can try and creat this and in a perfect world maybe succeed. But perfect it is not therefore no need to worry. You might have a valid point it every one tried it at the same time and every one also stopped having kids where there would not be anyone to start the whole process again. I did sacrifice alot for what I have and it was all in the process of the American way, that is how i know it works.

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I blame God for nothing because he doesn't exist What trigger is it you speak of? She was killed in a car accident.

Well if you follow the sciencific approach. Your forced to believe that for every action there is an equal and opposing reaction. You must not believe in this theory? Our universe is not static, it is in fact expanting. What force would have to be generated to propell this kind of expansion? Science says these days that all the matter that we see in our universe was condensed to a finite mass smaller then a needle head. Before the Big Bang they also think that the time/space continuem had not existed then either. No universe, no time , no space. Then on one specific day a Trigger released all the energy that we see. Given our scientific rule of action/reaction some thing or some one had to provide a force to realise the force we see. My question to you is what do you think that force was? Try and be very scienctific with your explanation, if you can? I don't know or no opinion isn't scientific! You've had an agressive opinion up to now about a higher being but this is where most atheist/agnostics clam up when this far into a debate? Is a higher force/being possible? Was our universe Caused or uncaused? I know the answer but will you admit to it? If you will not your whole premise put on science is now bunk!

By your own definition, it should not be taught. An explanation is an interpritation of the facts. Which cannot be proven therefore should not be taught or included. Your giving one a pass but not the other. Using your reasoning we can include ID if we offer scienceific explanation?



It leads you to believe but you have no proof. One mans guess is anothers falicy.

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I am waiting for no such chance. However I have been given oppurtunity based on my parents outcome to do what I want to do. Oppurtunity is not there for everyone. [/qoute]
It is nice to of had opportunity handed to you. But for those without such an advantasge you must manufacture your chance. Opportunity is there for every one who can recognized it when it happens not if it happens.



I think there have been many millionaires that flipped burgers. You gotta start some where. The cirlcle of life always keeps it stocked with workers trying to make it. Why would you work period if not to perpetuate you life. If it takes a million than you better try and make a million and so on.



Sure there is plenty we can do wrong, we are human too. The repugs can try and creat this and in a perfect world maybe succeed. But perfect it is not therefore no need to worry. You might have a valid point it every one tried it at the same time and every one also stopped having kids where there would not be anyone to start the whole process again. I did sacrifice alot for what I have and it was all in the process of the American way, that is how i know it works.



Well if you follow the sciencific approach. Your forced to believe that for every action there is an equal and opposing reaction. You must not believe in this theory? Our universe is not static, it is in fact expanting. What force would have to be generated to propell this kind of expansion? Science says these days that all the matter that we see in our universe was condensed to a finite mass smaller then a needle head. Before the Big Bang they also think that the time/space continuem had not existed then either. No universe, no time , no space. Then on one specific day a Trigger released all the energy that we see. Given our scientific rule of action/reaction some thing or some one had to provide a force to realise the force we see. My question to you is what do you think that force was? Try and be very scienctific with your explanation, if you can? I don't know or no opinion isn't scientific! You've had an agressive opinion up to now about a higher being but this is where most atheist/agnostics clam up when this far into a debate? Is a higher force/being possible? Was our universe Caused or uncaused? I know the answer but will you admit to it? If you will not your whole premise put on science is now bunk!

Ok let me clear somethings up.

First off it is my concern that the ID fanatics want not only to remove the "Big Bang Theory" from our schools they wish to make the word "evolution" a bad word to be used when in fact this can be seen even today.

I do not know where we came from. You want to argue there must be something present to cause the reaction, well in your mind a "God" existed.

Who the hell created God? I mean seriously come on, you mock people who believe in the Big Bang theory while you believe a god just thought himself into existence?

You can not call the first crazy without calling that belief crazy as well.

Who the hell created God?