RexRed
 
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Reply Sun 28 Aug, 2011 12:45 pm
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:

RexRed wrote:

The problem is we cannot be just using fossil fuels as if they are never going to run out and continue causing sever detriment to our environment.

There is a small growing portion of the energy sector that comprise of clean energy companies. These companies employ people right here at home and they provide energy at comparable prices and they are geared for the long term and often localized. Every clean energy source and solution should be boosted to eventually eclipse our need for fossil fuels. Fossil fuels should be used sparingly. Everything in our society is wasteful.

If you check as petrol has carbon monoxide that is also given off from a combustion engine so also ethanol puts off its own toxic gas. This toxic gas is related or similar to formaldehyde which has been determined to cause carcinogenic reaction in humans including birth defects.


The world has lots of fossil fuels remaining. We have used well under half the world's known recoverable petroleum and more is being found every day. We have used even less of the recoverable natural gas, and the world's coal reserves are also very substantial. We have in hand enough fissionable nuclear fuel to power the country for a century or more, and much more is readily available in known mines.

The "clean" energy sources to which your refer (wind and solar) are far too expensive (more than three times the cost of nuclear or fossil fuel per unit of energy delivered) to enable large scale replacement of our current fossil fuel resources without destroying our economy, and causing widespread unemployment and poverty. Indeed, if we start down that road we won't have enough money left to continue. Wind and solar power exist only because of government subsidies and mandates - without them they would quickly disappear due to their very high cost and low capacity factors (the wind doesn't blow and the sun doesn't shine all the time).

You are dead wrong in suggesting that most of the industries supporting these technologies are domestic. China has a near lock on the manufacture of solar cells, and about half of wind turbines are manufactured in Europe. Our limited supply of engineers and our high labor costs will remain serious impediment to a growing role for our manufacturers in this market.

The world's population in now well over six billion people (though it is forecast to peak and start a slow decline in mid century). We cannot hope to feed, clothe and house that number of people without fossil fuels. That too would be an environmental catastrophe.



Is that the Chinese doing all of this?
http://domesticfuel.com/2011/07/05/renewable-energy-production-surpasses-nuclear/


Bill you act as if America has not had their hand in renewable energy technology all along... You seem to forget the billions of dollars our LIBERAL lawmakers have secured for our own energy generation while republicans were denying global warming while still believing in Noah's Ark.

We can't depend on the republicans to do what is right...
RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2011 11:34 am
http://inhabitat.com/scientists-to-create-fuel-cell-that-generates-power-while-cleaning-nuclear-waste/
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Fri 9 Sep, 2011 04:05 pm
@RexRed,
About 90 % of our so-called renewable power is produced in large 50 year (or more) old hydroelectric plants at dams that environmentalists are trying very hard to put out of commission.

If you look just ant the wind and solar power you keep touting, you'll find their contribution is very small.

The last operating renewable (wind/solar) energy company that was a recipient of guaranteed Federal loans fromthe Obama Administration (Solyndra) just filed for bankrupcy, very likely taking the government loan with them.
RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 10 Sep, 2011 11:08 pm
@georgeob1,
Maybe that is your problem, you are using ants to generate wind power... Smile
georgeob1
 
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Reply Sun 11 Sep, 2011 12:14 pm
@RexRed,
Could be ! Embarrassed
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sun 11 Sep, 2011 03:37 pm
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RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2011 10:03 pm
http://www.livescience.com/282-laser-rival-sun-energy.html
georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2011 10:42 pm
@RexRed,
The Laser Facility at Livermore is now about 26 years old. It is one of the great scientific boondoggles of the age. In the late 1980s it was billed as the LISP or Laser Isotope Separation Facility or a new way of separating fissionable U-235 from the other isotopes in natural uranium and fissionable plutonium from spent nuclear fuel. The physicsts played around with that for a while, and when it didn't work very well, rechristened it as the NIF or National Ignition Facility, which was to provide a non-explosive way of testing the physics of nuclear warheads in an age of a ban on testing actual weapons. After that didn't do so well, they rechristened it as a way of confining a thermonucvlear reaction. Throughout the laser toy at the core of the game was essentially the same.

Rest easy. There will be no new source of limitless energy coming from this thing.

About 800 yards from the Laser Facility at Livermore there stands the large empty structure that once housed the Magnetic Ignition center which was yet another twenty year failed program designed to harness thermonuclear reactions.

Ain't gonna happen in your lifetime.
RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 16 Sep, 2011 11:57 am
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:

The Laser Facility at Livermore is now about 26 years old. It is one of the great scientific boondoggles of the age. In the late 1980s it was billed as the LISP or Laser Isotope Separation Facility or a new way of separating fissionable U-235 from the other isotopes in natural uranium and fissionable plutonium from spent nuclear fuel. The physicsts played around with that for a while, and when it didn't work very well, rechristened it as the NIF or National Ignition Facility, which was to provide a non-explosive way of testing the physics of nuclear warheads in an age of a ban on testing actual weapons. After that didn't do so well, they rechristened it as a way of confining a thermonucvlear reaction. Throughout the laser toy at the core of the game was essentially the same.

Rest easy. There will be no new source of limitless energy coming from this thing.

About 800 yards from the Laser Facility at Livermore there stands the large empty structure that once housed the Magnetic Ignition center which was yet another twenty year failed program designed to harness thermonuclear reactions.

Ain't gonna happen in your lifetime.


Thanks George, even though we don't always meet eye to eye on the issues I do enjoy your take on things.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sat 17 Sep, 2011 11:26 am
http://www.pcworld.com/article/240116/intel_runs_pc_on_cpu_powered_by_solar_cell.html
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RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 22 Sep, 2011 07:47 pm
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44632565/ns/politics-more_politics/#.TnvjrdRvCZY
georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 22 Sep, 2011 08:09 pm
@RexRed,
Rep. Issa is correct. Without government subsidies or mandated quotas, there would be no solar industry at all for the very simple reason that it currently costs about four times as much per unit of power generated than do coal, gas or nuclear. Though the advovates of this heavily subsidized industry claim large increases in their use, the fact is that, despite all the sound, fury, self-promotion and government money, wind and solar power amount to no more than one percent of our total power generation - and all of it would vanish quickly if the subsidies were withdrawn. The vast majority of the growing "renewable" power comes from dams and hydroelectric plants that environmental zealots would like to force us to take down.

The best way to get good research to find ways to lower the cost is the prospect of large profits if they succeed. The worst way is to subsidize the effort now.

Government subsidies are dangerous things. The first and most lasting thing they accomplish is the establishment of a well-organized and very active lobbying organization dedicated to the preservation of the subsidy at all costs - even if the oriuginally perceived need for it disappears. That is why in a world awash with cheap sugar we still have a quota on imported suger to protect domestic cane growers (whose fields near Lake Okechobe in Florida contribute most of the runoff of excess nutrients that is so destructive to the Everglades). This country has led the world in the development of new marketable technologies, but only very rarely is that done with any involvement by the government (GPS is a rare exception). The simple fact is that politicians are generally very poor venture capitalists, and are all too easily swayed by organized lobbyists motivated by free government money.
RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 23 Sep, 2011 12:22 am
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44625878/ns/us_news-environment/#.TnwkcdRvCZY
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RexRed
 
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Reply Mon 26 Sep, 2011 11:21 pm
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2011/092611-quantum-computing-250825.html?page=1
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RexRed
 
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Reply Fri 30 Sep, 2011 11:46 pm
http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2011/artificial-leaf-0930.html
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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2011 05:03 am
@georgeob1,
Quote:
but only very rarely is that done with any involvement by the government (GPS is a rare exception).


Take note also of the internet!!!!!!

A century ago the nationwide railroad system.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2011 09:34 am
@BillRM,
Those are pretty good examples. The DARPANET was solely a government invention, but its commercial application was spontaneous and done without government choice of winners & losers. The national railroads were an even better example.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 6 Oct, 2011 02:56 am
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15146082

http://www.itworld.com/hardware/210279/3m-film-turns-windows-transparent-solar-panels
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RexRed
 
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Reply Thu 20 Oct, 2011 08:54 pm
I like this Smile

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njWEpBurD88&feature=related
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RexRed
 
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Reply Sun 23 Oct, 2011 11:30 pm
This is what government subsidies into green technology do for ecology and the world! Isn't it beautiful!!!!!!!

http://green.autoblog.com/2011/10/22/solar-ship-sails-the-skies-schlepps-supplies/
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