mark noble wrote:
I'm just re-reading the gospel of Judas, and would like to know if anybody would care to share their feelings on this. The document clearly could not exist if 'Judas' had died, as implied by the biblical gospels. There are also contradictions in said gospels as to the missing 'Thomas' at the visitation (yet still 11 disciples present). And many more I will relate to, if indeed anyone has any reason to discuss this?
If i remember right, there are two versions, i think one says that he was feeling bad about what he had done and god was going to punish him and he was checking out all the land he had acquired from what he had done and was contemplating his bad choices when his guts burst open and he died right there on the spot. Then there is another version where he was so remorseful and regretful with what he had done, that he hung himself from a tree.
I personally like the apologetic answer to why there are two versions. They actually combine the two versions and say that after he hung himself that is when his guts exploded. I find this incredibly funny because why would you even add that to a story if it was an after effect. Just sounds absurd. Clearly the events probably never happened, and the reason there are two versions was because there was no consensus on what actually became of him. Maybe they thought the story would be better if he felt remorse and killed himself. This would account for why there are two versions.
But from my perspective Judas is a completely two dimensional character and not one that i believe is realistic or even possible. But people are quick to pick up on his betrayal and they reason it out as plausible because people do messed up things even to their own family members, so why would it be so hard to believe he wouldn't do what he did?
Here is one point as to why I think it was complete BS. The whole reason he got involved in the first place is telling. He didn't believe Jesus was who he claimed to be, so initially he didn't see any harm in selling him out. Which for the most part is reasonable. However; he was still good friends with Jesus and had a close bond with him but if he was going to sell him out to the roman authorities why didn't he deceive them too? What do I mean?
Well he knew that the Romans didn't know where to find Jesus or even knew what he looked like. Judas knew this and could have used anyone or made someone else take the fall and kept the money. So what I mean is, he was willing to sell Jesus out and at the same time came up with a plan to get them to recognize who Jesus was. So why didn't he just pick some random person, or better yet someone he didn't like to take the fall? This would have been far more believable because then he didn't actually sell out his friend. But of course the story can't go like that because Judas HAS
to send the sheep to the chopping block.
So what it comes down to is that he was willing to not only sell out his friend but he was willing to even send him friend to death. I simply don't buy that at all. Not even the most wicked person on the planet would sell out their friend and get them killed for it. Because if they are wicked, they would actually have someone else take the fall, someone completely innocent take the place. The Romans never would have known or even figured it out and Jesus would have been spared had he done that, plus he could have kept all the money. That is truly what a wicked person would have done.
The other part that doesn't make any sense is that God punishes Judas for selling out Jesus? WHAT? That is incredibly stupid. Jesus is going to the chopping block for humanity, it was god's plan a long and the only way to make it work was to have Judas sell him out. The Romans never would have been able to catch up to Jesus had Judas not. So his role in the whole thing was necessary for the fulfillment. So why would god punish Judas for playing his part in it? It's so absurd and stupid to punish him. He should have been praised for playing the part and making the destiny come to be.
That is what I don't get about the whole thing. Christians blame the crucifiers yet had they not done it there wouldn't be any Christianity. They should be thanking them for doing it. But no they do the same stupid thing by blaming the messenger and sentencing them to death for creating the hero. This is what makes the story flat and less than literature. I mean sixth graders could write better material than this.