Even now its punishable by death in many Muslim countries
Sure about that?
So how near to the present times do you want me to show faith driven dogmatic damage? You decide.
But that was not what we were talking about. You made a comment about the "Church" and homosexuality, a claim about the way the "Church" has handled homosexuality. I gave a clear, indisputable example of a church addressing the issue of homosexuality in a way that accepts homosexuals. The example defying your claim.
I want to hear opinions on the perfect religion. What is it what makes it perfect? Can there be a perfect relifion?
Most of religions are perfect, the misinterpretation of their values make them imperfect. Follow the example of Christ and great part of the world would be heaven.
But I don't understand something: why perfect? Is that a synonym of good? Because even a wrong/negative (for my standards) religion can still be a perfect religion. I consider the Aztec religion to be wrong/negative due to sacrifices (some of them considered it an honor), but yet, why should not it be a perfect religion (for those who thought it was an honor)? - what I mean: we do not share same values/views, so I presume a perfect religion would encompass all of "our" values/views - which could be incompatible one with another.
Can you distinguish between the words of Christ and the dogmatic demands of faith, written by man.
When and if you will have the opportunity to meet Prince Myshkin (made so by the dogmatic demands) live; you'll understand.
You give me one obscure America sect and believe that will qualify for the RC church being able to overcome its dogma and its history of brutal repression.
Only if we condemn a tradition for the mistakes of past practitioners. But we do not condemn all living Germans for Nazism. We do not condemn all living Americans for chattel slavery.
Also, we can revere our ancestors without having an ancient tradition. We can revere them without being spiritual at all, at least in any conscious way spiritual.
Let's first find a Perfect god and then we see about the proper religion and rituals.
You really want to call the Episcopal Church an obscure American sect? Okay... but that's not going to help your cause. Here in the States, saying Episcopal is the same as saying Anglican - Episcopal Churches in the states are affiliated with the Anglican Church across the pond, in the same way Anglican Churches on your side of the water are affiliated - in that we look up to the Archbishop of Canterbury.
Or is the Anglican Community, a worldwide community with over 70 million members, just an obscure American sect?
And recall that you have just now, for the first time in this conversation, mentioned the RC Church (which I guess to be the Roman Catholic Church). Instead, you just said the "church", to which I noted that there is no such body.
Still, I have no idea how you could possible gather that my mention of a 70+ million strong faith community's handling of homosexuality is tantamount to a defense of the RCC's thousand plus year imperfect history.
Much less why you think it appropriate to condemn a massive population, such as the RCC, based upon having an imperfect history - it would be like me calling all Englishmen immoral brutes for having once maintained a slave trade. Which would be absurd and simply childish, eh? Much worse would it be for me to condemn all Englishmen for the past offenses of that nation, without forgiveness, because I can think of some modern imperfections in that nation.
A perfect religion would have to be based in some fact, would it not?
I cant see how you can assume that one sect in the christian faiths assimilation to modern thinking, a thinking it has been forced to make not because it desired change, gives you the right to say all of Christianities history, is absolved.
This famous Anglican congregation you assume to be so wonderful in its approach to homosexuality, is being torn apart by its dogmatic views.
If you wish to complain about an Englishmen who maintains we should retain an empire, do so, if you wish to condemn a German who abides by the Nazis dictates, do so and i will continue to condemn those who support dogmatic demands that harms its followers.
Sure. Any suggestions?