major blooper by usa

Kenneth, perhaps Caroline was referring to OTHER American military involvement in the region before Iraq and Afghanistan, as even a cursory reading would suggest. Not to mention that your completely unnecessary personal attack, which I've taken the liberty of deleting, is against the rules and just plain tactless.

My personal opinion on the september 11 incident deals with Palestine/Israeli issue.

The Palestinians hate America, but why? Because we basically showed up one day and told them to move because we are planting a Jewish state right in their country. The US forced them out of their homes never to return and gave the land to the Jewish re-settlers. The establishing of Israel and ever since that day, Israel has been slowing taking more and more land away from them forcing them out by tank turret. The Palestinians have no where to go and nothing to lose so with their anger and frustration they planed for some revenge. The way you topple a massive army is simple, just read the art of war and you will see what they have pulled us into will ultimate cause our own demise.



-The Art of War

What has any of this to do with Caroline's view that mass murder of innocent people was the right thing to do?

What has any of this to do with Caroline's view that mass murder of innocent people was the right thing to do?

How could Al Quaeda be justified for the 9/11 attacks by the Iraq and Afganistan invasions when the invasions took place after the 9/11 attacks, and were in response to them?

To be honest, nothing, but I was responding to this comment you made;



Meaning, I don't think Iraq or Afghanistan were involved in the September 11th incident. So their invasions are unwarrented and with that I stated my opinion as to why the incident happened.

I didn't say that, please see post before this one, thanks.

(Sigh) Al Quaeda was based in Afganistan, and when we asked whoever was in charge there to surrender bin Laden, he refused. Saadam was a menace to the region. Our invasions were completely justified, and should have been sooner.

People who don't want their houses to come down around their ears, ought to behave like civilized human beings. And, people who do not want to be detained and searched in airports (and elsewhere) ought to tell their brethren not to blow up planes, school buses, and whatever else they can think of.

They also invaded after Saddam.

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I don't know why you're telling me this?

She was? What would make you think so?

Which attacks have you in mind, anyway?

Do you think 9.11 was justified, by the way?

The fact that it's ridiculous to assume that she did not know the order in which 9/11, Afghanistan, and Iraq occured, the fact that the Muslim world has been expressing hostility towards American influence and activities since long before 9/11, and the fact that our invasion of Iraq (in particular) has done nothing but magnify ill-will towards us and give extremists more rhetorical material.

It's not what I have in mind -- it's what Muslim spokespeople have repeatedly cited, namely the 1990 Gulf War, the sanctions against Iraq, missile strikes on Iraq and Sudan, and alliance with Israel.

And knowing how much difficulty you have successfully reading my obscure text, let me be crystal clear that I myself do not see the above-cited points as wrong or unjustified, though they have frequently been sloppy.

No, don't be ridiculous.

The Gulf War was a joint effort by the USA, several European states, and Syrian, and Saudi Arabia, because Iraq invaded Kuwait. So that was an attack by the USA? Sanctions are not violence, and not an attack. Missile strikes were in retaliation for attack on the USS Cole, and other United States targets. An alliance with a country is not an attack on any country. Any more pseudo-examples which you think merit 9/11?

No, don't be ridiculous.

Does that mean yes, or no?

This is about the 20th consecutive post in which you deliberately misread or cursorily skip my post. And this is going to be the last ever time I gratify you with a response. I am NOT NOT NOT justifying 9/11. I am NOT presenting my own opinion. I am presenting commonly offered arguments. And I said flat out in my last post that these are not my views.

What about "No" don't you understand. :nonooo:

Yeah I know, I'm sorry DT

No, no, no need to apologize - because you raise a great point. Two wrongs do not make a right, yet that is the often consumed justification for so many atrocities. At the moment, that is a widely accepted justification for the slaughter of over half a million Iraqis.

And, I have no idea whether someone knows the chronology of events. My guess is as good as yours. From what I read, there was no reason to think that Caroline knew what happened when. Have you a further source of information?

Does that mean yes, or no?

What is the second wrong?

I thought you might mention it to your complaining Iraqi resident. And that you might want to know that your Iraqi resident's complaint has no justification. Also, if your Iraqi resident feels that way, your Iraqi resident ought to skedaddle back to his fine country.