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>>>help<<< ....poem by ann radcliffe....

 
 
lizza
 
Reply Wed 12 Nov, 2003 01:03 pm
hi there,
what do you say to the following poem, what do you think about it, what's your interpretation...? *needalittlehelp*

written by Ann Radcliffe in 1791
(it has no title as it's taken from the novel "the romance of the forest")

The rose that weeps with morning dew,
And glitters in the sunny ray,
In tears of smiles resembles you,
When Love breaks Sorrow's cloud away.

The dews that bend the blushing flow'r,
Enrich the scent --- renew the glow;
So Love's sweet tears exalt his pow'r,
So bliss more brightly shines by woe!


I'd be very gald about lots of answers Wink
so long! Very Happy
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Wed 12 Nov, 2003 01:05 pm
I love roses and all the symbolism that goes along with them.
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lizza
 
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Reply Wed 12 Nov, 2003 01:20 pm
hey ~butterfly~ Smile
i'm from germany (that's why my english isnt the best..*g*) and nned a kind of "analze" of this poem. it may be quite short. could you help me...? *hope* Rolling Eyes :wink:
cu,
lizza
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lizza
 
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Reply Wed 12 Nov, 2003 01:23 pm
ooops, i meant "analyze of course... Laughing
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Wed 12 Nov, 2003 01:35 pm
My interpretation of it in simple terms would be that we achieve growth and strength from our sorrows.
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Wed 12 Nov, 2003 01:36 pm
By the way, welcome to A2K. Hope you'll stick around. We've got quite an international group here to make you feel at home.
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lizza
 
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Reply Wed 12 Nov, 2003 01:37 pm
hmmm,
could you describe it a little bit more -... detailed ...?
i'd be very thankful for that....
i need it for school, you know... :wink:
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Wed 12 Nov, 2003 01:46 pm
How about if you give it a try and I'll try to enhance what you write if it needs it.


Had a feeling it was school work. Wink
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lizza
 
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Reply Thu 13 Nov, 2003 01:47 pm
i've got some more questions:
- waht does "in tears of smiles" mean?
- what does she (the author) want to say by
"love's sweet lears exalt his power"
(and what/who does "his" refer to?)
- what does the very last line mean?
<< so bliss more brightly shines by woe! >>
(could anybody explain that to me in his/her own words?)

well, it's quite difficult for me to understand this (even though i know the vocabulary) cause english isnt my mother tongue.

by the way: are there any experts Wink among you who can tell me whether this poem is typicval / or not typical (and why) für the 18th century...?

and last but not least:
- the "main message" behind the poem....

every idea is very welcome! Smile
thanx..... Smile Cool
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lizza
 
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Reply Fri 14 Nov, 2003 02:10 pm
my ideas are the following


as this poem is taken from a novel, it's quite helpful to know some facts what happened (only very little information, as far as necessary):
in the passage before the poem, the reader gets to know the reason why the female protagonist (her name is adeline) started crying: she and her lover Theodore, they're meeting after havin not seen each other for a while and she remembers the happiness when they had met the last time. because before that their relationship was "overshadowed" (any better expression"?) by sadness and horrible thoughts of death, what would mean the final separation if they died. but then they started looking forward more hopefully to their future days and everything seemed to be more bright.
now she begins to cry as she thinks of the contrast between the past and the present situation. but now, these aren't tears of sadness, but - like said in the poem - tears of smiles, of thankfulness.
these tears let disappear her sorrow, despair and fears.

well, this is some "background" knowledge which could be helpful for the poem's analyse and understanding.

but first, some stylistic devices, rhyme, etc….:

rhyme:
cross rhyme?? (or what is it called? this is a one-to-one-translation)

the rose is "personified"(?) as it is compared to the heroine.
it symbolizes her beauty, loveliness, attractiveness.
but it also stands for … the possibility of easily being hurt? it is very easy to destroy a flower.
although the flower is bent by the dew drops it receives strength from it (more scent, more and better glow). so the tears are not bad at all, they are caused by a deep feeling of love (and hope?) and therefore "smiling / of smiles" and "sweet".
sorrow's connected to darkness (dark clouds), so love's to be the light, she sun, that makes the tears sparkling in the "sunny rays" (=love?).
"blushing flow'r" --- could either only mean that the rose becomes red again (what is sort of the "normal" rose's color, maybe before it was colourless - or black like the sorrow - or a combination of both of it: grey) and now looks more powerful, even more beautiful than before; or the heroine is blushing cause she's ashamed of her tears.

contrasts (which make clear or hint at the contrast she is crying about // which troubles/d her mind):
tears - smiles
love - sorrow
(and maybe) bend - enrich/renew (positive - negative)
bliss - woe


"love's sweet tears exalt his pow'r"
(I still don't know what "his" refers to, cause if it refers to the rose I would say "its" but maybe that's because it was written 200 years ago)
but I guess that the flower get stronger by crying and the tears show this process… argh I'm writing some trash…. Wink
now, the last verse is a kind of summary: it expresses that you may become aware of happiness if you experienced "woe", sorrow, sadness, suffering. the more woe the more joy… (I'm thinking of a kind of "scale", you'll only know what bliss means if you ever suffered the contrary feeling)

ok, that's all I could think of for the moment.
I hope you could understand the most of what I wrote… *g* (remember: actually I'm speaking german… Very Happy)
and: I would be really very grateful for correction and enhancing!

ciao,
lizza Rolling Eyes
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