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@Didymos Thomas,

Didymos Thomas wrote:

Ah, Memphis in May. What a wonderful event. Good music, great hallucinogens.

But I have to ask, who did you see there? The line up this year was wonderful - the Roots, Doyle Bramhall, Magic Slim, Buddy Guy, Lou Reed and then some. I ask because no one I mentioned played - at least to my knowledge.

As for Tool, yeah, they have a good thing going and would probably upstage Dream Theater - no small feat. But if you want mind blowing polyrhythms, jazz is the place to go. Art Blakey practically invented polyrhythms in modern western music, and Elvin Jones takes them to another level. I'd recommend any record with Elvin, which includes a lot of great Coltrane.

I went to see my chemical romance and then i saw lil wyte that night and i saw robert johnson, I also saw others but I more or less went to see my chemical romance. It's not very often that they come to the south

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@Didymos Thomas,

Hi folks!! Smile

Just a curiosity to scratch, music is about patterns, frequencys and indirectly mathematics, how many of all of you, notice I did not say, which would come quite natural to me, and be less pretenious, Y'all!! how many mathematicians are there here, out of all these musicians??:eek: Perhaps I should just inquire as to, how many are good at math?:cool:

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@philosopherqueen,

philosopherqueen wrote:

I went to see my chemical romance and then i saw lil wyte that night

I'm not trying to flame, but MCR and Lil' Wyte?:p

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@Crazeddemon,

Robert Johnson is dead. He didn't live to see the German invasion of Poland in '39. If you saw Mr. Johnson play, you witnessed the second coming. Wink

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Just a curiosity to scratch, music is about patterns, frequencys and indirectly mathematics, how many of all of you, notice I did not say, which would come quite natural to me, and be less pretenious, Y'all!! how many mathematicians are there here, out of all these musicians??:eek: Perhaps I should just inquire as to, how many are good at math?:cool:

Careful. Music is translated to mathematics for study and recording (writing down the tune) purposes. Music is not mathematics. You do not need to be good at math to be a good musician.

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@Crazeddemon,

Crazeddemon wrote:

I'm not trying to flame, but MCR and Lil' Wyte?:p

I listen to everything....Not kidding. I love music it is my life...Sorry to say...I'm one of the ones with the 80 gb ipod and it's almost full. and not with videos with music.

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@Didymos Thomas,

Didymos Thomas wrote:

Robert Johnson is dead. He didn't live to see the German invasion of Poland in '39. If you saw Mr. Johnson play, you witnessed the second coming.

Careful. Music is translated to mathematics for study and recording (writing down the tune) purposes. Music is not mathematics. You do not need to be good at math to be a good musician.

Okay well there is one down here usually plays in the midsouth area (memphis, helena, and other areas.) He plays harmonica, drums, guitar, and others by himself. Plus he sings. He's more of a blues player. He's really good. I'm not sure but I believe he has a myspace page, if you like blues check him out.

Plus for other references if you like the mix of country and blues listen to lucero. They're pretty good.

If yours into blues and looking for a trip in september or october (can't remember the month), look up the arkansas blues and heritage festival. It's in Helena, Arkansas. The music is good, but you have to excuse the locals they don't get out much and this is the only time that they can act a fool.

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@philosopherqueen,

Ah, I see. I mean the early Delta Blues singer Robert Johnson. But the guy you are talking about - the act sounds familiar. I lived in Fayetteville for several years and the blues circuit was always great.

Funny you mention Lucero, I have an album where he does duets with a lot of great artists - Clapton, Van Morrison, BB King I think. Great stuff. Is there any particular album you recommend?

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If yours into blues and looking for a trip in september or october (can't remember the month), look up the arkansas blues and heritage festival. It's in Helena, Arkansas. The music is good, but you have to excuse the locals they don't get out much and this is the only time that they can act a fool.

I love small town blues festivals. Eureka Springs has a great thing going; neat town, too. I never made it to the Helena Festival, but I'm sure the locals can't be any wilder than the Eureka Springs crowd.

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@philosopherqueen,

philosopherqueen wrote:

I listen to everything....Not kidding. I love music it is my life...Sorry to say...I'm one of the ones with the 80 gb ipod and it's almost full. and not with videos with music.

Just because I don't like Lil Wyte and MCR doesn't mean i don't have 80gb of music....I just like things that aren't overproduced in studio and overhyped. Maybe it's because i'm a musician and i know how easy it would be to write the music to an MCR song, or how INCREDIBLY simple it is to make a loop with a hook to repeat indefinitely for the background of a rap song. I don't mean anything by this, i'm just picky about what music is worth my time, doesn't mean it's not worth yours.

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@Crazeddemon,

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Just because I don't like Lil Wyte and MCR doesn't mean i don't have 80gb of music....I just like things that aren't overproduced in studio and overhyped. Maybe it's because i'm a musician and i know how easy it would be to write the music to an MCR song, or how INCREDIBLY simple it is to make a loop with a hook to repeat indefinitely for the background of a rap song. I don't mean anything by this, i'm just picky about what music is worth my time, doesn't mean it's not worth yours.

I'm not a fan of MCR - I usually need a decade or so before I can start listening to new rock.
And I've never even heard Lil Wyte - I'd have to ask my brother who keeps up with hip hop.

But when you're talking about loops and rap - I think the view is too simplistic. The art of making loops is nothing to shrug at - reggae dub musicians pioneered the process, and rap artists really have contributed a great deal to the style. Sure, much of your radio play music is junk, but this is always true. Beyond the commercial junk, you have serious artists - people who are serious about making art, which happens to be in the form of programmed loops.

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@Didymos Thomas,

Didymos Thomas wrote:

But when you're talking about loops and rap - I think the view is too simplistic. The art of making loops is nothing to shrug at - reggae dub musicians pioneered the process, and rap artists really have contributed a great deal to the style. Sure, much of your radio play music is junk, but this is always true. Beyond the commercial junk, you have serious artists - people who are serious about making art, which happens to be in the form of programmed loops.

I am quite familiar with loops and beats. If you are looking for programming that isn't repetitive and terrible take a look at Gnarls Barkley or Daft Punk (to name some of the ones that get radio play and are true artists behind the commercialism). Also if you are interested in less electronic sounding loops there is Andrew Bird who uses a loop pedal with his violin, guitar, and voice to produce songs with overwhelming loops and builds and variations.

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@Crazeddemon,

My interest in loops leans more to the reggae side of the spectrum - Lee Perry, that sort of stuff.

But, yeah, definitely good choices with Gnarles Barkley and Daft Punk.

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@Crazeddemon,

Crazeddemon wrote:

Just because I don't like Lil Wyte and MCR doesn't mean i don't have 80gb of music....I just like things that aren't overproduced in studio and overhyped. Maybe it's because i'm a musician and i know how easy it would be to write the music to an MCR song, or how INCREDIBLY simple it is to make a loop with a hook to repeat indefinitely for the background of a rap song. I don't mean anything by this, i'm just picky about what music is worth my time, doesn't mean it's not worth yours.

Well, I understand the simplicity, but sometimes the simplicity in music makes you relize how simple everything really is, then it makes you think of how complicated everything it. My moods change so much that I can't help but like all kinds of music. Right now I'm in a slow typeI of music faze. I understand the whole musician thing. I play trumpet and a little bit of guitar, but I'm not saying that's all I do so you prolly understand more than I do.

With the Lucero album. It's hard to say with me. I've just recently been introduced to them by a friend. But right now the song that I like the best is "The Prayer" I don't know what it is about that song, but it calms me and seems to make alot seem better. With the albums, I've only listened to two of them. Rebels and Rogue and then Nobody's Darlin. They both have good songs and It's so hard to choose. So, I'm not.

I wasnt tryin to say that my music is better than anyone elses, but I was just tryin to let it known that I don't just surround myself with one type of music. I appreciate the work of all music. Even though there is simplicity in a song, it took time and work to write it.

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@philosopherqueen,

To PhilosopherQueen

I didn't mean to seem angry or standoffish in my post, I don't mean to argue about music because it is certainly a waste of time. I was just sharing my opinion as you were sharing yours and i didn't mean to offend you etc. I personally just can't take music that is too simple because i get bored. My brain wanders off and the music becomes less engaging. I guess along the way i decided that this was what made good music to me; that i can't help but be engaged by it. But it is always nice to see others opinions on things so subjectively entertaining as music.

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@Crazeddemon,

I think of complexity in music like you would think of complexity in literature. There are some monstrously complex books, which are absolutely brilliant. And then there are other, simple stories which are also brilliant. Like the Divine Comedy and The Old Man and the Sea.

I love the blues. And more often than not, blues is as simple as music gets. But I also love Mahavishnu Orchestra - and, well, let's just say their work is far from simple.

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@Didymos Thomas,

There are three bands I would put as most influencing me.
In no particular order:

Led Zeppelin
Led Zeppelin is a very famous and possibly overrated band. As far as their complexity and such things, I know nothing. However, they are very good. What I find inspiring in Led Zeppelin is their extreme variety. You can look at their "Immigrant's Song," which, along with "Kashmir" and "In My Time of Dying" is their best examples of hard rock music. They also have experimented with reggae themes in "D'yer Ma'ker" and "The Crunge." They have the capacity to make slower and extremely beautiful songs such as "The Rain Song", "Ten Years Gone", and "All of My Love". Also, references to Tolkien's fantasy, like in "Misty Mountain Hop", "The Battle of Evermore", and "Ramble On", really endear them to me as I am a total LOTR nerd. Their wide talents in many different sounds really makes Led Zeppelin stand out to me.

Emerson, Lake, and Palmer (ELP)
Well, first off my avatar on this forum is the cover art for their album Brain Salad Surgery. I like ELP because they, like Led Zeppelin, have a wide variety in their music, ranging from Emerson's Piano Concertos to the sad song "C'est La Vie" to the reworking of classical music on their Pictures at an Exhibition album, to their cover of Aaron Copland's "Hoedown" to their epic song "Karn Evil 9". Not to mention that all three musicians in this band have amazing technical ability in their respective instruments.

Jethro Tull
Jethro Tull is amazing, with their fusion of jazzy tunes and melodies conjuring up pictures of old castles and medieval themes. "Thick as a Brick" is one of the greatest songs ever written, in my humble opinion, for it is an epic, sprawling piece extending over forty minutes. Also, they put a lot of thought in their albums. "Thick as a Brick", for example, which took up an entire album, had an entire backstory involving a fictional boy who was said to have penned the lyrics of the song as a poem for a competition. They wrote an entire fake newspaper for the cover of that album. Not to mention that they named themselves after an English agriculturist. I mean, how cool is that?

Cream
OK, I lied, not three. I like Cream due to their bluesy take on psychedelic music. I really like the kind of distorted images that psychedelic music puts in my head (although I do not support or use psychedelic drugs or any drugs. I find enough mind-expanding psychedelia in music like Cream, Jimi Hendrix, and Pink Floyd) Their song "White Room" especially has had a profound effect on me.

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@Farthender,

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Led Zeppelin
Led Zeppelin is a very famous and possibly overrated band. As far as their complexity and such things, I know nothing. However, they are very good. What I find inspiring in Led Zeppelin is their extreme variety. You can look at their "Immigrant's Song," which, along with "Kashmir" and "In My Time of Dying" is their best examples of hard rock music. They also have experimented with reggae themes in "D'yer Ma'ker" and "The Crunge." They have the capacity to make slower and extremely beautiful songs such as "The Rain Song", "Ten Years Gone", and "All of My Love". Also, references to Tolkien's fantasy, like in "Misty Mountain Hop", "The Battle of Evermore", and "Ramble On", really endear them to me as I am a total LOTR nerd. Their wide talents in many different sounds really makes Led Zeppelin stand out to me.

Zeppelin is far from overrated. Achilles Last Stand is brutal. And what is more hard rockin than Out on the Tiles or How Many More Times?

Great band.

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@Didymos Thomas,

Leo Kottke, John Zorn, U.S. Mapel, Orth Relm, Captain Beefheart, Mahavishnu Orchestra, Frank Zappa, Stravinsky. Im into anything that is compositionaly intricate or experimental. Im a student of moden Music Theory and guitar so im very interested in the new systems and trends in modern composition.
Im also into jazz guys such as John Coletrain, Ornett Coleman, Wes Montgomery, Allan Holdsworth(more fusion than jazz), Jimmy Bruno, John Scofield ect...
And of course, the rock guys; Jimmi, Sabbath, Tool, some Dream Theater, ect

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@Zetetic11235,

Zetetic, are you familiar with Tim Buckley's work?

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@philosopherqueen,

It seems people are answering the question about the most influential with their favorite music.

The Spice Girls was my Most Influential (band)/(musicians).
In my late teens they turned me off Top 40 and shoved me into more enjoyable alternates like Blues: Clarence Gatemouth Brown, John Lee Hooker and especially Mississippi John Hurt, Jazz: Herbie Hand**** and Chick Corea, Electronic Music (In General)... I didn't know until later after doing some shamaistic ethnography, that my brain is suseptable to beat trance states....
None of these musics have seriously influenced me, but i do enjoy them a lot more than I ever did top 40

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@GoshisDead,

It's nice to see some of my own favorites being mentioned, Zepplin and Tool in particular. Couldn't possibly say enough about either of them.

Two other bands that I enjoy to no end are Iron Maiden (forget about 666 and all the silly stuff that appeals to rebellious teens that was attributted to them in the 80's. These guys' operatic metal is phenomenal!) and The Tea Party (a relatively obscure Canadian power trio, whose sound was dubbed "Morrocan Roll" for its middle eastern influences). Distinctive music that I can lose myself in completely.

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