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AP Calls Massachusetts for Brown

 
 
oralloy
 
Reply Tue 19 Jan, 2010 08:22 pm
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100120/ap_newsalert/us_apnewsalert_15
 
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jan, 2010 09:35 pm
The irony is astounding.

Oh how bitter must the lefties be who were so confident that the annointing of Obama signaled for America its transition to Euro-socialism.

Surely this was a result of racism.

Surely this result was in no way an indication of public opinion of Obama (and if it was it must have been racism)

This was not a blow back on the overreaching of Progressive social engineers, but merely the triumph of Fox News propaganda and racist tea baggers.

The time has come for Dems to use every means at their disposal to accelerate the force feeding of Obamacare to America, and delay the swearing in of Brown.

Someday, Americans will thank them for their partisan machinations.

It's morning in America!
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jan, 2010 09:43 pm
This was not a rejection of Obama (who still is quite popular here). This was a rejection of Martha Coakley (who ran a horribly arrogant campaign)..

From DailyKos

Quote:
There's several messages to learn from this fiasco, but chief among them -- if you decide to run for office, then respect the freakin' voters and work your ass off for their vote. They are angry, frustrated, and looking for a sign that you get their concerns. Going on vacation doesn't cut it. Campaigning your heart out gets you a good of the way there.


Congratulations to Scott Brown, who ran an professional and impressive campaign. He painted himself as an outsider against the the machine candidate... and Coakley did nothing to contradict this narrative. She did several things; like scoffing at the idea she should be out in the cold shaking hands with people that were taken as a slap in the face of voters.

As a liberal Democrat in Massachusetts, I held my nose as I voted for Coakley-- and only voted for her because I understand the stakes. I think many Brown voters are in for a rude awakening when the find out the affect this election will have on policies they really want.

But as far as running a great campaign... Brown deserved to win this race.
Brandon9000
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jan, 2010 09:54 pm
I guess now is the time for the liberals to manufacture some scandal about Brown.
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ebrown p
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jan, 2010 10:15 pm
I give credit to Scott Brown and I am happy say that he deserved to win the election (in spite of the fact I was working hard for the other side). He was the better candidate.

Are there any gracious winners here?
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jan, 2010 10:18 pm
@ebrown p,
Do you truly believe that this was a purely local election?

At what point do the liberal talking points begin to choke you?

Whether or not people like Obama, this election was clearly a referendum on his policies, and so who really cares if personally likable?

Clinton was likable but his initial policies resulted in a Republican off year landslide. He remained likable, but only because he drastically changed his policies.

Obama now has the choice of emulating Clinton or Carter
ebrown p
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jan, 2010 10:24 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Quote:

Obama now has the choice of emulating Clinton or Carter


I hope he chooses to emulate Reagan.
ebrown p
 
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Reply Tue 19 Jan, 2010 10:27 pm
And as is being discussed elsewhere... the Democrats still have 59 seats in the Senate and a commanding lead in the House.
gungasnake
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jan, 2010 12:12 am
This one is essentially an atom bomb blowing off at the dinner table for these idiots.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jan, 2010 12:16 am
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:
This one is essentially an atom bomb blowing off at the dinner table for these idiots.
I wish I knew what he supports.

I just went to his platform website
and my anti-viral software was activated: found viral infection.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jan, 2010 12:52 am

This shows that he ran as a CONSERVATIVE in Massachusetts!

Surprising;
I thawt that, being in Massachusetts, he 'd lean left.


Gun issues
I support the Second Amendment
and believe that citizens have
the right to keep and bear arms
as a basic constitutional liberty
.

I support safe and responsible gun ownership.

Death penalty
I believe there are some crimes that are so heinous
that they deserve capital punishment. Our Government should
have the ability to impose the death penalty in cases where it is justified
.

Abortion
While this decision should ultimately be made
by the woman in consultation with her doctor
,
I believe we need to reduce the number of abortions in America.
I believe government has the responsibility to regulate in this
area and I support parental consent and notification requirements
and I oppose partial birth abortion. I also believe there are
people of good will on both sides of the issue and we ought to
work together to support and promote adoption as an alternative to abortion.

Marriage
I believe marriage is between a man and a woman.
States should be free to make their own laws in this area,
so long as they reflect the people's will as expressed through them
directly, or as expressed through their elected representatives.


Health Care
I believe that all Americans deserve health care coverage,
but I am opposed to the health care legislation that is under
consideration in Congress and will vote against it
.
It will raise taxes, increase government spending and lower
the quality of care, especially for elders on Medicare. I support
strengthening the existing private market system
with policies
that will drive down costs and make it easier for people
to purchase affordable insurance. In Massachusetts, I support the
2006 healthcare law that was successful in expanding coverage,
but I also recognize that the state must now turn its attention to controlling costs.


Economy
I am a free enterprise advocate who believes that lower taxes
can encourage economic growth
. Raising taxes stifles growth,
weakens the economy and puts more people out of work.
Our economy works best when individuals have more of their income
to spend, and businesses have money to invest and add jobs
.
I have been a fiscal watchdog in the state legislature fighting
bigger government, higher taxes and wasteful spending.

Energy and Environment
I support common-sense environment policy that will help to
reduce pollution and preserve our precious open spaces. I realize
that without action now, future generations will be left to clean
up the mess we leave. In order to reduce our dependence on
foreign oil, I support reasonable and appropriate development of
alternative energy sources such as wind, solar, nuclear,
geothermal and improved hydroelectric facilities. I oppose a
national cap and trade program because of the higher costs that
families and businesses would incur.


Immigration
I recognize that our strength as a nation is built on the immigrant
experience in America. I welcome legal immigration to this country.
However, we are also a nation of laws and government should not
adopt policies that encourage illegal immigration
.

Providing driver’s licenses and in-state tuition to illegal immigrant families
will act as a magnet in drawing more people here in violation of
the law and it will impose new costs on taxpayers.
I oppose amnesty, and I believe we ought to strengthen
our border enforcement and institute an employment verification
system with penalties for companies that hire illegal immigrants.


Veterans
As a Lieutenant Colonel in the Army National Guard,
I am uniquely aware of the importance and sacrifice of our men
and women serving in the military. I have been a vigorous
supporter of legislation providing benefits to returning service
members, as well as, benefits for the families of those killed in action.
I believe we need to recognize the sacrifice of all of our
servicemembers by keeping better track of returning military
personnel so they get the services they deserve. That includes
providing them with first-class medical care and other benefits to
which they are entitled. I am known as a leader on veterans'
issues through my work on the Veterans and Federal Affairs
Committee, the Hidden Wounds of War Commission, and the
Governor's Task Force on Returning Veterans.

[all emfasis added by David]
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jan, 2010 01:10 am
@ebrown p,
ebrown p wrote:
And as is being discussed elsewhere... the Democrats still have 59 seats
in the Senate and a commanding lead in the House.
I think the salient, obvious point here is that the GOP can fillibuster
the worst appointments, if it holds together.

Some Demos might consider it valuable
to their re-elections to help some of the GOP positions.





David
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jan, 2010 01:12 am
@ebrown p,
Quote:

Obama now has the choice of emulating Clinton or Carter


ebrown p wrote:
I hope he chooses to emulate Reagan.

Yeah, I do too





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jan, 2010 01:17 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:
Do you truly believe that this was a purely local election?

At what point do the liberal talking points begin to choke you?

Whether or not people like Obama, this election was clearly a referendum on his policies,
and so who really cares if personally likable?





Clinton was likable but his initial policies resulted in a Republican off year landslide.
That was ONE THING:
victim disarmament in his so-called "assault weapon ban".
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djjd62
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jan, 2010 07:02 am
@ebrown p,
ebrown p wrote:

Quote:

Obama now has the choice of emulating Clinton or Carter


I hope he chooses to emulate Reagan.



let's not forget, reagan got shot and ended up with alzheimer's, i'd take carter's pathetic legacy over that if i had a choice

although i would like to see him fire the air traffic controllers, or any large union group for that matter
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jan, 2010 09:05 am
He recovered OK from his gunshot
and he was out of office when Alzheimer's d. afflicted him.
djjd62
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jan, 2010 09:07 am
@OmSigDAVID,
both still happened to him though, and while i'd be happy to recover, i'd be happier still to not be shot

Linkat
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jan, 2010 09:37 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
I believe it was a combination of things.

Being from Mass and of course talking with other residents - the top issues were the economy and the health care initiative. Scott was in line with the majority on how they felt about both. We are sick to death and most cannot afford any more tax hikes - anyone with some knowledge of economics will realize that raising taxes will only cause a prolong affect to the bad economy. Health care - damn we already have what the Obama is proposing so we know first hand it isn't effective and costs more when we cannot afford more.

As being so liberal though, it wasn't only these issues that solidified Brown's win. Most had to do with the arrogance of the current Democratic party here in Mass. Our representatives would not listen to us when we brought up our dissatisfaction with the current process of jamming down a health care plan that they haven't even thoroughly read (who could with the length of it). They did not listen and many of our representatives even insulted those that objected. As if they knew better.

Along those same lines Martha followed suit. She did not campaign until she show that she may lose and that Brown wasn't just a nobody. She further insulted us by saying what I'm supposed to stand in front of Fenway and shake hands in the cold? She acted as if she was too good for the average voter. She did not ask for our votes - she did not humble herself.

And the worst thing - she called Curt Schilling a NY Yankees fan! For that alone I could not vote for her.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jan, 2010 09:56 am
@djjd62,
djjd62 wrote:

both still happened to him though, and while i'd be happy to recover,
i'd be happier still to not be shot
Yeah, but u r not taking something into account:
emotionalism and its political after effects.

Both as to the Reagan and Kennedy shootings:
Congress was swept with emotion (as was the general public)
so that Reagan and LBJ had a much easier time of getting
each of their respective programs thru.

On 11/21/63, Kennedy was not a popular fellow,
hence his campaigning in the very state of his own VP.
The next day, there was a gigantic wave of pro-Kennedy near hysteria,
enuf to defeat Goldwater in 1964.
LBJ did not defeat Goldwater; Kennedy did, reaching out from the grave.


Maybe it coud be possible that Reagan privately thawt
that it was worth it. I dunno.
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jan, 2010 10:20 am
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
I think the salient, obvious point here is that the GOP can filibuster the worst appointments, if it holds together.

Is this really that good of an idea for the GOP? The numbers on how well the Republicans have handled HRC is lower than Obama's or the Democrats. Won't this just draw the fire on them? I mean, up until now, how the bill is doing has been about if the Dems can get their **** together. Now, if the GOP starts to obstruct with these kinds of tactics, it will be a measured in terms of Republican interference.

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