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Pat Robertson: Haitian Earthquake...

 
 
Reply Thu 14 Jan, 2010 11:42 am


Okay. So. I'm not surprised. I'm not. I'm not even shocked. I'm fully prepared at any moment to hear about Pat Robertson saying something so incredibly offensive and idiotic.

I guess my anger stems from this guy having followers and it scares me. Who are these people?

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CoastalRat
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jan, 2010 11:49 am
Now see, had I not watched this video, I would never have known that the people of Haiti had at one time made a deal with the devil to shuck of the yoke of French rule. Not that I would doubt him, but could he give us a believable reference as to where he gets this info? I'm curious. How about y'all?
Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jan, 2010 11:55 am
@CoastalRat,
CoastalRat wrote:
Now see, had I not watched this video, I would never have known that the people of Haiti had at one time made a deal with the devil to shuck of the yoke of French rule. Not that I would doubt him, but could he give us a believable reference as to where he gets this info? I'm curious. How about y'all?

He said, "True story." What more proof do you need?
chai2
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jan, 2010 11:56 am
We're already ripping Robertson apart on another thread started by Joe Nation.

Come on over.
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chai2
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jan, 2010 11:57 am
@Ticomaya,
Ticomaya wrote:

He said, "True story." What more proof do you need?



**** yeah, what the hell else could you want?
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CoastalRat
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jan, 2010 11:57 am
@Ticomaya,
Ah well, that's that then.
chai2
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jan, 2010 12:08 pm
@CoastalRat,
CoastalRat wrote:

Ah well, that's that then.


a fait accompli
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Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jan, 2010 12:08 pm
http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/archives/2010/01/did-haiti-form-a-pact-with-the-devil.php

Quote:
My colleague Amanda Terkel observes that Pat Robertson thinks the Haitians have no one but themselves to blame for the earthquake that’s afflicting their country. After all, it’s only comeuppance for their pact with the devil:

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[S]omething happened a long time ago in Haiti and people might not want to talk about it. They were under the heel of the French. Napoleon the Third and whatever. And they got together and swore a pact to the devil. They said, “We will serve you if you get us free from the prince.” True story. And so the devil said, “OK, it’s a deal.” They kicked the French out, the Haitians revolted and got themselves free.

But ever since, they have been cursed by one thing after the other, desperately poor. That island of Hispaniola is one island. It’s cut down the middle, on the one side is Haiti, on the other side is the Dominican Republic. The Dominican Republic is prosperous, healthy, full of resorts, etc. Haiti is in desperate poverty. Same island.


It’s surprisingly hard to say why Haiti is so poor, but I think we can dismiss that devil-based theory.

But was there a pact with the devil? I would also note that the Haitian Revolution began in 1791, years before Napoleon took over France as Consul. Napoleon III didn’t come to power until 1848. So clearly Robertson is confused on the basic history. But I believe that Robertson is referring to the Bois Caïman Ceremony that in Haitian national mythology initiated the revolution. This was a Vodou ceremony and the following text is normally attributed to its leader, Boukman:

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The god who created the earth; who created the sun that gives us light. The god who holds up the ocean; who makes the thunder roar. Our God who has ears to hear. You who are hidden in the clouds; who watch us from where you are. You see all that the white has made us suffer. The white man’s god asks him to commit crimes. But the god within us wants to do good. Our god, who is so good, so just, He orders us to revenge our wrongs. It’s He who will direct our arms and bring us the victory. It’s He who will assist us. We all should throw away the image of the white men’s god who is so pitiless. Listen to the voice for liberty that speaks in all our hearts.


If you were a white, Catholic French person or Haitian plantation owner, I can see why you would characterize this as a prayer offered “to the devil.” The black Haitians are postulating the existence of two Gods, one for the whites and one for the blacks. The whites regard the God they pray to as the one true God. So if the blacks are praying to some second god, and doing it with a Vodou ceremony, it stands to reason that they’re engaged in a satanic ritual of some sort.

But there’s no reason for 21st century Americans to accept this interpretation of the story. From the Haitian perspective, I think you’d say they were just praying to God for his assistance and asserting the justice of their cause. This is what pretty much everyone does before heading into battle.


Cycloptichorn
chai2
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jan, 2010 12:12 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Well Cyclo, he did say "Nepoleon the Third and whatever"

I mean, I think that "whatever" justifies going backward about 60 years in time.
rabel22
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jan, 2010 01:08 pm
@chai2,
Im sure that like Bush he heard this from God.
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blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jan, 2010 01:11 pm
Call Pat Robertson's "700 Club" @ 1 (800) 759-0700 to give your opinion of his comments about Haiti. It costs them about $1 to pick up each 800 call.
Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jan, 2010 01:44 pm
@blueveinedthrobber,
Hey, BVT ... long time no see.
blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jan, 2010 01:45 pm
@Ticomaya,
what up tico? How's the foot?
Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jan, 2010 01:46 pm
@blueveinedthrobber,
Still attached ... healing. What'd you do with the Bear?
blueveinedthrobber
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jan, 2010 01:48 pm
@Ticomaya,
I sent him on vacation.... poor old guy is wearing himself out trying to be a 25 year old rocker.
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jan, 2010 01:51 pm
@blueveinedthrobber,

Thanks for the idea.
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Ticomaya
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jan, 2010 02:02 pm
@Diest TKO,
Good grief ... that's exactly what I thought you'd sound like.

That was riveting, DTKO/Brother Elias.

Now get to the gym.
Diest TKO
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jan, 2010 02:06 pm
@Ticomaya,
It's Brother Alias with an 'a' (it's no fun having attendance taken in grade school... :C). I'm glad you enjoyed it. I guess my written voice is a good match to my written voice.

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Off to the gym. I think I'll run a extra mile to put myself in check.
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jespah
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jan, 2010 03:32 pm
@Diest TKO,
Dude, you've just been tweeted.
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Butrflynet
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jan, 2010 05:17 pm
He's digging himself a deeper hole:

http://www.cbn.com/about/pressrelease_patrobertson_haiti.aspx

press release
Statement Regarding Pat Robertson's Comments on Haiti

CBN.com " VIRGINIA BEACH, Va., January 13, 2010 -- On today’s The 700 Club, during a segment about the devastation, suffering and humanitarian effort that is needed in Haiti, Dr. Robertson also spoke about Haiti’s history. His comments were based on the widely-discussed 1791 slave rebellion led by Boukman Dutty at Bois Caiman, where the slaves allegedly made a famous pact with the devil in exchange for victory over the French. This history, combined with the horrible state of the country, has led countless scholars and religious figures over the centuries to believe the country is cursed. Dr. Robertson never stated that the earthquake was God’s wrath. If you watch the entire video segment, Dr. Robertson’s compassion for the people of Haiti is clear. He called for prayer for them. His humanitarian arm has been working to help thousands of people in Haiti over the last year, and they are currently launching a major relief and recovery effort to help the victims of this disaster. They have sent a shipment of millions of dollars worth of medications that is now in Haiti, and their disaster team leaders are expected to arrive tomorrow and begin operations to ease the suffering.

Chris Roslan
Spokesman for CBN
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