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KFC Pulls "Racist" Australian TV spot

 
 
Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2010 12:29 am
@Rockhead,
I couldn't agree less, but then, it's a known fact that many Southern "belles" who think they can fry chicken properly, in fact, cannot. Good fried chicken starts with the chicken being placed in ice water, then patted dry, before being dredged in flour and white corn meal containing the cook's favorite mix of spices. Chicken provides enough fat on it's own, it would be a case of culinary gilding of the lily to cook it in lard.

Sounds like trailer park fried chicken to me.

(I suppose i should put one of those goddamned stupid "smilies" in here so that people don't take me seriously.)
Rockhead
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2010 12:34 am
@Setanta,
that's ok.

I rarely take you serious, shirley.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2010 12:36 am
@Setanta,
So...what is fried chicken fried in? If it's not a fat of some kind?
Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2010 12:37 am
I rarely crave fried chicken . . . but when i do, Colonel Sander's original recipe fills the bill quite nicely. Who gives a damn if the Wabbit finds it an offensive blend of the three major food groups--salt, fat and sugar? I eat hot dogs from time to time, knowing full well what goes into them.

At my age, it's a little late to worry about a lifetime's eating habits.
Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2010 12:39 am
@dlowan,
dlowan wrote:
So...what is fried chicken fried in? If it's not a fat of some kind?


Straw man. I objected to the idea of frying it in lard, not in any kind of fat. As far as i'm concerned, good fried chicken has been fried in vegetable shortening. Of course, i have no idea, and don't want to know what Colonel Sanders uses to fry chicken.

Anyway, Popeye's has the best fried chicken in the U.S.
dadpad
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2010 12:39 am
@dlowan,
dlowan wrote:

Looking at my just posted response to Robert on this point, can you "get" what I mean?


Yes, but i thought at the time the anger was unjustified.


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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2010 12:42 am
@Setanta,
Fat's fat, in my view.

I guess some oils are healthier.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2010 12:53 am
I see why you would say that, but i personally happen to like a great many fatty foods, so i care about what kind of fat is used. The leading brand of vegetable shortening in the United States is (or once was) Crisco, which in the 1950s and -60s advertised its use for frying chicken. These days, they have an image of a slice of cherry pie on the label.
dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2010 01:11 am
@Setanta,
That's olive oil.

Cool!

Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2010 01:13 am
They ain't no olive oil in Crisco . . . you're a weird wabbit . . . any way, as you observed, fat is fat . . .
Rockhead
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2010 01:18 am
@dlowan,
olive oyl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iheiKMk46xs&feature=related
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dadpad
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2010 01:27 am
crisco is crap. Its usually the cheapest brand on the shelf and yes i have bought it. Its (mostly) canola oil and is (probaly) produced from genetically modified canola
Rockhead
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2010 01:29 am
@dadpad,
what's wrong with canola oil?

this from a guy eats vegemite...
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2010 01:45 am
@Setanta,
I looked up the crisco site....and what I saw said it was olive oil.

I was surprised because I had somehow thought crisco was a very inferior oil, one that might lose any oil benefits upon heating.
dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2010 01:48 am
@dadpad,
dadpad wrote:

crisco is crap. Its usually the cheapest brand on the shelf and yes i have bought it. Its (mostly) canola oil and is (probaly) produced from genetically modified canola


I remembered hearing about issues with canola...not sure how valid these concerns are, but here's a site pointing out the alleged problems:


http://www.breathing.com/articles/canola-oil.htm
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2010 01:50 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

They ain't no olive oil in Crisco . . . you're a weird wabbit . . . any way, as you observed, fat is fat . . .



Yes, fat is fat re calories.

Some oils are, I understand, much healthier than animal fat.

I understand that the high temperatures involved in deep frying may affect these benefits, though? Or am I misunderremembering myself?


I just don't like lots of fat of any kind saturating my food.

(Though I have to hold myself back sometimes with the olive oil on salad, or if i let myself have some butter!)
dadpad
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2010 01:56 am
@dlowan,
dlowan wrote:

I looked up the crisco site....and what I saw said it was olive oil.


Interesting. I did the same and saw no mention of olive oil at all.

The new high-oleic canola, Crisco Endura*, delivers a longer fry life than regular canola, with greater versatility and a terrific taste.

The longlife high-oleic sunflower oil is the ultimate in health. It performs superbly
http://www.crisco.com.au/


Quote:
Oleic acid is emitted by the decaying corpses of a number of insects, including bees and Pogonomyrmex ants and triggers the instincts of living workers to remove the dead bodies from the hive. If a live bee[6] or ant[7][8] is daubed with oleic acid, it is dragged off as if it were dead. This is why oleic acid is also sometimes referred as "smell of death". The repellent smell indicates to living insects how to avoid others that have succumbed to disease or places where predators lurk. This "death recognition system" based on a simple fatty acid likely evolved over 400 million years ago.[9]
Oleic and monounsaturated fatty acid levels in the membranes of red blood cells have been associated with increased risk of breast cancer.[13] Oleic acid may be responsible for the hypotensive (blood pressure reducing) effects of olive oil.[14]


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Rockhead
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2010 02:02 am
@dlowan,
olive oil breaks down at high heat.

not for frying chicken, that.

(and I ain't no southern bell)
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Robert Gentel
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2010 02:32 am
@dadpad,
dadpad wrote:
You [(some) Americans] believe black people + Fried chicken = racial stereo type. Therefore that commercial should not have been made by Australians for Australian television.


It should not have been made by KFC marketing employees because their very purpose is to positively brand KFC and this results in a net negative.

I don't think Americans really care that much about what is on your televisions.

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Australians dont think black people + fried chicken = racial sterio type, yet the advert still needs to be removed from Australian television.


Why should Australian culture force an American company to continue to pay for a lousy ad that happens to also be their marketing nightmare?

American's don't care what's on your TV. They care that this carries an American brand. If it were a local Australian commercial it would probably barely cause a ripple. Some people would call it racist if they happened to see it, and they'd be ignorant and all, but this generates controversy because it's the perfect storm for KFC where you have their absolute worst branding nightmare out in the open and social media on it.

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You see KFC as an American company. I see KFC in Australia as a company staffed and run and organised by Australians regardless of the companies roots.


But their bosses are in America answering to the American culture and most people will take the view that the buck stops at the top (see sweatshops, they don't get mad at the subsidiary, they get mad at Nike) so they have to react to that reality.

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Americans would not be the only country to want to believe their own culture is the best and everyone else should be like them.
Ie the Aust stance on whaling.
However American culture pervades the world and many are sick to bloody death of the American assumption that the whole world should be like America.


I get it, I had a visitor recently who expressed surprise that more people didn't speak English (in a place where many people get by with only English to boot, I know a guy who has been here over a decade and still hasn't learned Spanish) and it is off putting to me even though I'm an American citizen. I also like living abroad because the whole world is American enough for me and this way I get two cultures in one. I totally get how American culture can seem loud and overbearing.

But you are asking for a lot of cultural context to be taken into consideration but cultural context these days is gone at a click. They didn't see it in context. They didn't see it on TV in Australia. They saw it in America, with an American brand on the internet. The big story from the American perspective is that there's live video of this gaffe with the KFC brand. Branding isn't effective if it needs to be deeply introspective to come out as a positive for the company, and expecting this to keep running is asking a lot of any company. In advertising, almost any negative perception dooms it. Advertising is about false magic, not gritty realities and confronting the intricacies of navigating cultural differences.

P.S. the US just happens to be a culture that will bow to almost any pressure about racial sensitivity, even from other cultures (e.g. changing the lyrics in Aladdin). You are trying to change their culture!

I actually don't think trying to influence someone else's culture is inherently wrong, though I can see how it can be inherently annoying.
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aidan
 
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Reply Sat 9 Jan, 2010 03:21 am
@Setanta,
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Anyway, Popeye's has the best fried chicken in the U.S.


AND better side dishes - dirty rice, pinto/red beans. Their biscuits are better too and you can get honey there - I don't think you can get honey for your biscuits at KFC- but they have awesome coleslaw.
 

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