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Perhaps it is time to boycott the internet?

 
 
RexRed
 
Reply Tue 15 Dec, 2009 11:50 pm
Does the internet belong to THE PEOPLE, or, to congress, big already well oiled corporations and cable companies? Perhaps if "THE PEOPLE" took a few days off from the internet it might WAKE THEM THE HELL UP?! In the last few months THE PEOPLE have been LEGALLY cut completely out of the equation and FREEDOM of the internet... So much for democracy.... We pay for it so they can monopolize it!!! SOUND FAIR? Pretty soon we will not be able to peddle a piece of bread without being "disconnected".
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Ionus
 
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Reply Tue 15 Dec, 2009 11:56 pm
@RexRed,
This is no different from entering a store under their conditions. They have to operate within the law set by the state, but as a commercial enterprise they still have some leaway. If you dont like it, then you have an option of not entering. To stop the internet is a bit of a pipe dream. Business would have to stop and it doesnt care about rights, just an even playing field for profit. Your only viable option in my opinion is in the voting booth.
RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2009 12:02 am
@Ionus,
Not when the internet becomes "geared" to stifle our own creativity. You cannot speak, you cannot sell, you cannot create you can only take what "they" have to offer... it is called a monopoly if you are wondering... Wear some blindfolds for a few days you will know what I mean. Watch ebay and youtube disappear within the next year... It has already started to happen... There needs to be a place where people can be people... That is not what they have planned with their "software"....
Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2009 12:04 am
@RexRed,
Sorry red, I am not getting the problem. Can you spell it out for me ? What exactly are they doing ? I thought you meant the banned sites they are introducing in some countries.
RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2009 12:06 am
@Ionus,
Do you know what mininova is?
Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2009 12:07 am
@RexRed,
Nope ! Blissfully ignorant as usual.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2009 12:08 am
http://www.mininova.org/

Notice the little sweet banner up top of the page...
RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2009 12:13 am
I surmise there will be a country that will defy these bastards.... and they will be the future internet of THE PEOPLE from now on... to hell with the rest of the corporate hog wash... Next, then, our internet providers will block us from those sites... sound like freedom to you? It has happened before already.. Is this the America you want?
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Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2009 12:13 am
@RexRed,
Yes, I speed read a little bit of it. Is this what you are upset about ?
"Note that we try to keep Mininova family-safe, so adult submissions are not allowed."
Isnt it just one of many ways of communicating on the web ?
RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2009 12:16 am
@Ionus,
No it was the main way, it means no people just corporate content... it is happening everywhere due to fear of NEW lawsuits... I don't deal in porn and never have. But this is sweeping...
Ionus
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2009 12:18 am
@RexRed,
I dont think I know enough about this topic and I regret taking up your time with explanations, but I am sure I am not the only one confused. How will it replace websites like A2K for example ?
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2009 12:19 am
It means no more pirated movies... which I don't care about that, I only care about the grey line between...
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2009 12:21 am
A2K will be a place where people gripe and THEY can't have that happening, huh? Or maybe we will all just become sheep and not even miss our right to be individuals and unique?
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2009 12:25 am
When a company says, we are afraid of letting the mass of people speak, upload and be themselves because of lawsuits, well... I have a hunch Microsoft is behind this. They have usurped every little guy in their path why not WE the people next? I have liked Microsoft up until this point...
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2009 12:46 am
Maybe Microsoft didn't learn their lesson and needs to be broken up AGAIN!
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2009 01:03 am
Perhaps my thread is not even being shown, on top on a2k, it doesn't agree with their advertisers; beware.
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2009 01:08 am
Don't bother to vote for my thread here cuz i don't know my stuff right? I have only been on the net since, err, DOS... I only have thousands of fans on other sites I can't possibly know what i am saying here. Only one vote err, my own... REMEMBER I TOLD YOU SO... You are all so sure? You are not my only err, FORUM. After all corporations are now owned by the feds...
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2009 09:25 am
What did i tell you last night about new laws concerning the internet? All you jerks who voted my thread down to ZERO... look who the zeros really are? This last election that happened in Maine was more like the last election in Iran... The Maine people would never have legalized medical marijuana. It seemed (on the outside) like it was a step toward legalization but no it was just another step toward government controlled marijuana. Now the government sells people their pot... Just another thing taken out of the hands of the people. Why Maine? Well, Maine has the second largest marijuana seed repository next to California... WHAT NEXT???

THIS came in my email this morning... Perhaps Newt thinks the American voting system is still representative of what the people actually want?

December 16, 2009

Message to Copenhagen: Our Constitution Begins, "We the People..."
By Newt Gingrich

Tomorrow morning, the delegates at the UN climate change conference in Copenhagen will awaken to a very simple but powerful message:

"In America, We Have a Constitution. It Begins: We the People..."

These are the opening lines of a message to the American delegates in Copenhagen and the rest of the world sent on behalf of the American people by American Solutions. They are meant as a reminder to both Obama Administration officials and international climate activists that under our constitutional system, the American people, not government bureaucrats, are sovereign.

Ronald Reagan was right when he said that America is a nation that has a government - not the other way around.

And if you have any doubt that the delegates at Copenhagen need to hear this message, take a look at this:

http://www.company-london.com/img/09-09/LRB/LRBplus_01.jpg

This is a reference guide being handed out by one of the non-governmental organizations at Copenhagen to keep track of all the proposals to reduce emissions from deforestation and degradation. It's purposefully modeled after the Chinese mass murderer Mao Tse-Tung's "Little Red Book of Communism."

Can the profoundly undemocratic nature of this conference be any clearer?

Congress Has the Power to Protect the Constitution. It Should Use It.
American Solutions' message to the Obama Administration and the Copenhagen delegates is this:

President Obama cannot bind the American people to job killing international agreements on climate change without the advice and consent of the United States Senate.

Similarly, he can't bypass the peoples' representatives in Congress by having the EPA pursue the same goals through bureaucratic totalitarianism.

This message to the President is also a message to Congress. Should the Obama Administration act unilaterally and subvert the Constitution, the American people will rightfully rise up in opposition.

Congress has the power to protect its constitutional role and protect the people's voice in how we're governed. It should use it.


Substituting the Advice and Consent of the Senate with the
Bureaucratic Power of the EPA

When he travels to Copenhagen this week, President Obama is reportedly going to pledge to reduce U.S. greenhouse gas emissions by 17 percent by 2020.

The Obama Administration's various threats to act unilaterally - both in Copenhagen and at home via the EPA - to achieve this goal occur against the backdrop of this inescapable fact: The Senate, reflecting the will of the American people, refuses to pass the administration's job killing cap and trade legislation.

The result is that the administration is preparing to bypass the Senate with its announcement last week that the EPA will regulate carbon dioxide as a dangerous pollutant .

Knowing that it lacks the votes in the Senate to ratify any binding commitment made in Copenhagen to radically lower emissions, the administration may well attempt to use the EPA's newly asserted power - thus bypassing Senate ratification - to implement the agreement.

This would be a breathtakingly anti-democratic and unconstitutional arrogation of power on the part of the President. But it is exactly what some groups are pressuring the President to do. See this report, "Yes He Can: President Obama's Power to Make an International Climate Commitment Without Waiting for Congress" by the Center for Biological Diversity Climate Law Institute.

And Congressman Ed Markey (D-Mass.), the co-author of the energy tax in the House of Representatives, stated this past weekend on "Fox News Sunday", in response to Chris Wallace's question about whether President Obama could make a binding commitment at Copenhagen, that "without question, the President does have the authority to make a commitment based upon the endangerment finding - that is the authority the EPA will have."

Such action would be a corruption of America's constitutional system that the Congress must reverse.

Does Senator Webb Believe the Authority of the EPA Can Substitute for the Authority of the Senate?
Some senators seem to get this. On "Fox News Sunday" last weekend Senator Jim Inhofe (R-Okla.) stated flatly that the President doesn't have the power to make binding emissions reductions commitments at Copenhagen.

And Virginia Democratic Senator Jim Webb recently wrote an open letter to President Obama in which he warned the President not to make binding commitments at Copenhagen.

"As you well know from your time in the Senate," wrote Webb, "only specific legislation agreed upon in the Congress, or a treaty ratified by the Senate, could actually create such a commitment on behalf of our country."

But Senator Webb wrote his letter before the EPA unilaterally declared the government's right to regulate carbon dioxide.

And so the question must be asked of Senator Webb: Does he believe that the authority of the EPA can substitute for the constitutional authority of the Senate - authority that he has so courageously defended?

Radical Environmentalism Is "The New Socialism"
Columnist Charles Krauthammer calls the shake down occurring in Copenhagen and the EPA's domestic power grab "the new socialism."

Following the death of the old socialism with the Soviet empire, writes Krauthammer, "the cultural elites went straight from the memorial service for socialism to the altar of the environment. The objective is the same: highly centralized power given to the best and the brightest, the new class of experts and technocrats. This time, however, the alleged justification is saving the planet."

And if the question is, "Will the new socialism succeed?" the answer is, "Not if the American people have anything to do with it."

The American People, United, Will Never Be Defeated
Last year, the "drill here, drill now" movement succeeded in removing both the executive and legislative bans on drilling offshore to capture American energy [www.americansolutions.com/drill].

The American people's success in "drill here, drill now" opened up a national conversation on freeing America from dependence on foreign dictators for our oil. Americans began to understand and believe that We Have the Power (see Callista's and my movie on energy of the same name) to safely develop our own energy reserves and technology to achieve energy independence.

While most Americans are steamed about Healthcare and Cap and Trade, millions of folks missed Congressional Mandate HR-3221.

That's too bad, because HR-3221 contains a “secret loophole” that could pay you $17,500 this year - and every year. Click here to uncover the loophole - and get your cash...

Today, American Solutions is issuing a similar rallying cry to the American people.

Our message is that no imperial presidency, no totalitarian bureaucracy, and no global international elite can or will usurp the power of We the People.

I conclude today, the 236th anniversary of the Boston Tea Party, with the full text of our ad, which will appear in the daily newspaper of the Copenhagen conference tomorrow:

MESSAGE FROM AMERICA
TO THE AMERICAN DELEGATES IN COPENHAGEN
AND THE REST OF THE WORLD
In America, We Have a Constitution.
It Begins: "We the People"

Our Constitution Requires International Agreements to
Be Agreed Upon By our Senate

Our President Does Not Have Support in our Senate for
Binding Carbon Emissions Limits

Our Environmental Protection Agency Recently Asserted It Has the
Power to Impose Carbon Emissions Limits

Such Action would be Tantamount to our Executive Branch Taxing the American People without
Approval from the Elected Representatives in our Legislative Branch

That's Called "Taxation without Representation" and
We Will Not Stand for it

The American Revolution and a Famous Tea Party in
Boston in 1773 Was About Rejecting Taxation without Representation

We Reject Taxation without Representation even if it
is attempted by our President through an international "political" agreement like the Copenhagen 15

Through Our Election Process, our Presidents, Representatives, and Administrators Are
Accountable to the American People

Unlike Other Countries, We Do Not Have a Democracy Deficit

In America, Mesdames and Messieurs, We the People Govern


You can view a picture of the ad here . Learn more at www.AmericanSolutions.com

Your friend,
Newt Gingrich

Comment: I was never a proponent of drilling for oil in the reserves I believe in more eco friendly solutions. Yet I am certainly not a supporter of communism and totalitarian rule in America either... Perhaps I need to rethink becoming a democrap. Perhaps this is why I did not vote for Obama... Yes the republicans stink of religion but what is worse religion or dictatorial communism? Does it even matter anymore what WE THE PEOPLE think?
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RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2009 10:03 am
The subject of VUZE... This is what these new internet laws have done. I had 1000 friends worldwide in a networking site called Vuze. Vuze used to tout itself as being a site with content created by the people... Within the last month they deleted mine and everyone else' friends so we could not trade files any longer. It took me nearly a year to collect those friends and we could trade media that was "politically educational". Some I found quite relevant. Just another example of the government clamping down on democracy. Now all Vuze has for content is corporate garbage. Stuff that is already on TV and other corporate websites that we are barraged ever day with. They completely removed the public from the equation. It seems the patriot act is working overtime to silence the voice of the american people. To think I was actually starting to trust Obama.

Obama leaves us (And Europe) vulnerable to being attacked by Russian missiles and is awarded a prize for it?

Obama whose name do you think this missile had on it had it not failed?

http://www.realitysandwich.com/sites/realitysandwich.civicactions.net/files/imagecache/large/lights-682_945262a.jpg?


Was this the same Russia that only a year ago attacked Georgia? Was this the same Russia that threatened the American people for decades during the Reagan years and beyond? Is this the same communism that attacked Pearl Harbor and killed thousands of Americans? Someone has got to have the balls to say this **** and if it makes me UNPOPULAR well I don't care. I am a LOYAL American who believes in our constitution as it stands. This is not liberty this is communism subverting the will of the American people. I have watched Obama's favor ability with the American people in polls sharply plummet in recent months WHY??? But what do polls matter anyway? It is just the will of the American people.

We have Harry Reid trying to lower the medicare age to 50 something WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON IN OUR GOVERNMENT?

RexRed
 
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Reply Wed 16 Dec, 2009 11:33 am

Newsmax
Howard Dean: Kill Senate Bill
Wed, 16 Dec 2009 09:40 AM

By:

Former Democratic leader Howard Dean dealt a blow to Senate Democrats today when Greg Sargent at The Plum Line reported that Mr. Dean called for the Senate health care bill to be killed. The interview was conducted on Vermont Public Radio with host Bob Kinzel.

"This is essentially the collapse of health care reform in the United States Senate," said Dean. "And, honestly, the best thing to do right now is kill the Senate bill and go back to the House and start the reconciliation process, where you only need 51 votes and it would be a much simpler bill."

Dean defended using this alternative budget approach for a policy bill. He argues it's been used more than 20 times by recent presidents.

"The American people don't care how we get this, as long as we get a decent process," said Dean. "The Republicans in the Senate will moan and groan, but they're out of touch with where America really is. You have the vast majority of Americans want the choices, they want real choices. They don't have them in this bill. This is not health care reform and it's not close to health care reform."

Dean says there are a number of good elements in the current Senate bill, like more money for community health centers, which should now be passed on their own:

"There are some good things in this bill, but they're small, and let's have a small bill for this $32 billion," said Dean. "Doesn't sound like a small amount, but compared to a trillion dollars - 27 percent of which is going to go to the insurance companies' pockets, it's a small price to pay to help community health care centers and prevention and wellness programs."

In recent months, Dean has emerged as a leading liberal advocate for health care reform and his comments to kill the current bill could encourage some progressive members of the Senate to rethink their support for the legislation.

Senator Dianne Feinstein, D - Calif., was taken aback by Mr. Dean's comments and responded to the idea of killing the health care bill this evening to the Washington Times.:

"Well I think that would be a tragedy. This is our one chance, and if we miss it, it’s gone and you can always do technical corrections and additions later, but there is so much in this bill that is good for people. To ignore the opportunity to pass it, to me, is just catastrophic. It won’t come up again for a long time."

Senator James Inhofe, R - OK, noted that the former Vermont governor's idea for reconciliation would be a real problem for Democrats.:

"Everyone now is more aware of what reconciliation is now than what it used to be. It’s an admission that this can’t happen."

By using the process of reconciliation, Democrats can break a GOP filibuster by passing a bill with just 51 votes. Using this process, there could be enough Democrats who support a public option. However, reconciliation can only be used for bills dealing with budgetary issues, so other reforms and regulations would have to pass as well.

In the meantime, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D - NV, has yet to reach a sixty vote threshold for support on the health care bill to break a filibuster on the Senate floor.


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