You miss my point. In hois field of animal behavior or in evolutionary science he HAS been a good scientist. Im not denying that. Its just that , in his hobby of trashing the religious, hes stepped out of his field and has mmainly become this cartoon character.
I suspect I would disagree with your point even if I got it, because I don't consider even The God Delusion
cartoonish. But let me try to understand your point anyway. Apart from the God delusion, which other books of Dawkins's do you consider cartoonish religion-bashing?
Hes been a real PAin to science and usual Dawkins quotes are fairly bitter sound bytes which dont get us anywhere.
Public intellectuals can't be a pain in the ass of science---only in the asses of scientists. And that's ok. If some American scientists are too intimidated by the Religious Right to treat the young-Earth-creationists as the cranks that they are---on par with psychics, astrologers, and homeopaths---maybe they need
some pain in the ass.
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I actually think that DAwkins has matured a bit, since he realized that his "token" wives have mostly left him because of his narcissistic childlike behavior of the 80's and 90's.
ACtually I meant "trophy" wives.
Even so, "Narcissistic childlike behavior" is an insulting attack on his person that adds no argument to the discussion. You're the one insisting that Dawkins should focus on science and avoid insults. It's fine that you disagree with me on this point, but please be consistent about it. Take your own advice.
Since hes stepped out of his purely academic role and has become a public poster child against Evangelical Christianity hes not done any great services to reasonable religious skepticism.
Indeed we'll need to agree to disagree on this point. I consider atheism a reasonable manifestation of religious skepticism. A major consequence of Richard Dawkins's God Illusion
(and some other books in its mold) is that it has helped atheists to come out of the closet in America. I consider that a great service.
Its not his science that Im bitching about, Its been his past "hobby" of public ridicule of the minor sects of Christianity. It was really uncalled for.
I accept your suggestion that we agree to disagree on this. Just one factual point: We are not
talking about "minor sects of Christianity". According to polls on this matter, between 40 and 50 percent of Americans believe the Bible is literally the word of god, and that god created the Earth and its inhabitants, more or less in their current form, less than 10,000 years ago. This is not about your Amish neighbors. It's not about leaving a minority alone. This is about a plurality of Americans, who may become a majority soon.