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Another Fine Mess - Coup Rocks Honduras

 
 
Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jul, 2009 05:06 am
@fbaezer,
Cool . . . thanks, Boss. I always hope that you'll show up in a thread like this so that we can get a well-informed take on the situation . . .
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jul, 2009 05:16 am
@Amigo,


Calm down cupcake... you're really quite emotional.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jul, 2009 12:51 pm
@panzade,
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I hate to be cynical, but I'll bet Washington was well aware the coup was imminent ...


That's a safe bet as it has been reported, since the main story broke, that not only did the State Department know the action by the military was imminent, they tried to keep it from happening (through persuasion of course.)

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...even though the UN General Assembly voted to condemn the overthrow, not much will come from this incident.


Another safe bet. When does anything ever come as a result of UN condemnation?

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Seeking to stem internal unrest, Congress approved a bill Wednesday that toughens a nighttime curfew in place since the coup. The law gives authorities the power to conduct warrantless arrests and removes constitutional rights to assembly and movement during the 10 p.m. to 5 a.m. curfew.


Associated Press - 7/2/09

This sort of response by the Honduran government certainly doesn't help make their case that they took extreme action with Zelaya to preserve democracy in their country.

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The US has also refrained from recalling its ambassador to Honduras.


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The Organization of American States has given him (Michelettie) until Saturday to step aside before Honduras is suspended from the group. The Obama administration halted joint military operations, and France, Spain, Italy, Chile and Colombia all recalled their ambassadors Wednesday.

AP-7/2/09

Meanwhile...

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Britain was rebuffed last night in its attempt to secure an EU deadline for the withdrawal of the bloc's 27 ambassadors from Tehran if a local embassy employee in Iranian custody was not released.


[urlhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/5724210/Britain-fails-on-deadline-for-withdrawal-of-ambassadors-from-Tehran.html

So France, Italy and Spain have withdrawn their ambassadors from Honduras, but not from a country that has staged a fraudulent election, murdered its citizens in the the streets of its capital, and seized a member of the diplomatic staff of a fellow EU nation.

Similarly President Obama needed to see how things played out before condemning Iran, but had no such reservation about condemning the "illegal coup" in Honduras and demanding the return of Zelaya.

Interesting contrast in realpolitik.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jul, 2009 01:17 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

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The US has also refrained from recalling its ambassador to Honduras.


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The Organization of American States has given him (Michelettie) until Saturday to step aside before Honduras is suspended from the group. The Obama administration halted joint military operations, and France, Spain, Italy, Chile and Colombia all recalled their ambassadors Wednesday.

AP-7/2/09

Meanwhile...

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Britain was rebuffed last night in its attempt to secure an EU deadline for the withdrawal of the bloc's 27 ambassadors from Tehran if a local embassy employee in Iranian custody was not released.


[urlhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/5724210/Britain-fails-on-deadline-for-withdrawal-of-ambassadors-from-Tehran.html

So France, Italy and Spain have withdrawn their ambassadors from Honduras, but not from a country that has staged a fraudulent election, murdered its citizens in the the streets of its capital, and seized a member of the diplomatic staff of a fellow EU nation.


All EU-countries have withdrawn their ambassadors from Honduras (just four countries have one there, ad Germany to your names).

According to the latest news "The EU must show "a united front" towards Iran over the detention of British embassy employees in Tehran, Swedish Prime Minister Fredrik Reinfeldt said Friday" (Sweden holds the presidency).

French President Nicolas Sarkozy expressed France's "total solidarity" with "our British friends" over the affair.
"It's up to the British to tell us what they need," the French president added. (Their comments came during a joint press conference in Stockholm, where President Sarkozy is/was on an official visit.)

And (according to the Daily Telegraph) Foreign Office officials are talking to their counterparts across Europe to co-ordinate a response to the announcement after two members staff were accused of instigating unrest.


Why exactly do you call this an "Interesting contrast in realpolitik"?
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jul, 2009 02:30 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
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Why exactly do you call this an "Interesting contrast in realpolitik"?


I would think it is obvious.

On the one hand a country with strategic economic importance (Iran) and the other an essentially immaterial postage stamp of a country (Honduras).

The conduct of one generates immediate outrage and the withdrawal of ambassadors, while the other, even when so requested by a fellow EU member, does not.

You don't see the contrast in responses?

Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 3 Jul, 2009 02:34 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

The conduct of one generates immediate outrage and the withdrawal of ambassadors, while the other, even when so requested by a fellow EU member, does not.


Well, the UK didn't demand it until now. Everyone waits for it.

From the PM's press conference:

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Asked if the UK was suggesting to other EU partners that there should be sanctions against Iran, the Prime Minister s Spokesman (PMS) referred journalists back to the statement that was made by EU Foreign Ministers at the weekend; there needed to be a strong collective response to Iran s actions, particularly in relation to British Embassy staff.

Asked if anything further had happened since the weekend, the PMS said that it was best to check with the Foreign Office, however there had been very high-level discussion of Foreign Ministers that took place on Sunday.
El-Diablo
 
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Reply Sat 4 Jul, 2009 08:37 am
well this thing is just getting bigger

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/miami-dade/breaking-news/v-fullstory/story/1126603.html

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In an interview with The Miami Herald and El Salvador's elfaro digital news site, army attorney Col. Herberth Bayardo Inestroza acknowledged that top military brass made the call to forcibly remove Zelaya -- and they broke laws when they did it.

It was the first time any participant in Sunday's overthrow admitted committing an offense and the first time a Honduran authority revealed who made the decision that has been denounced worldwide.


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Inestroza acknowledged that after 34 years in the military, he and many other longtime soldiers found Zelaya's allegiance to Chávez difficult to stomach. Although he calls Zelaya a ''fake leftist'' for his bourgeoisie upbringing, he admits he'd have a hard time taking orders from a leftist.


My god this general should be sacked.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 6 Jul, 2009 04:15 pm
@Walter Hinteler,
You seem to wish to ignore the fact that these countries don't need the UK to demand (or even request) they withdraw their ambassadors from Iran in response to a rigged election and the murder of peaceful Iranian protestors.
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Amigo
 
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Reply Tue 7 Jul, 2009 12:04 am


"Chavez has provided Zelaya with a plane to fly around the hemisphere to drum up support for his reinstatement. The Telsur network, a pan-Latin American news channel funded by the Venezuelan government, broadcast the pro-Zelaya marches in Honduras over the past week, even as Micheletti’s government cut the channel’s signal in Honduras."

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601086&sid=acfQ6OCSxKMA

I think theres a media stand down. I also beleive democracy in south amerca has been a non-issue.
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