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The craiglist doctor/killer story

 
 
BillRM
 
Reply Tue 21 Apr, 2009 09:55 pm
This story about the Craiglist doctor to be and killer amazed me for a reason other then how a nice normal seeming guy could be a killer.

The police from the news stories track this fool down by way of his IP address and cell phones calls.

Now here we had a very bright person with a science degree already under his belt and yet he created a clear roadmap to his own front door.

Have he never hear of the tor network and open wifi hotspots or thirty dollars throw away cell phones for that matter?

The only thing that comes to my mind is that he never foreseen the murder or anything else that would cause the police to spend real resources in tracking him down but still and all to painted a clear path to your own front door when you are doing arm robberies is beyond being stupid for a 24 years old doctor to be.
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NickFun
 
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Reply Tue 21 Apr, 2009 09:58 pm
@BillRM,
Maybe he's innocent! Perhaps he was set up by the real killer! How devious!

NAH!
BillRM
 
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Reply Tue 21 Apr, 2009 10:04 pm
@NickFun,
Yes even that idea that someone with real knowledge of the internet was setting him up came into my mind.

Such a theory however break the occum razor rule beyond belief however.

As you said NAH!
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engineer
 
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Reply Wed 22 Apr, 2009 06:08 am
@BillRM,
What really amazes me about this story is the press it's getting. This should be a story on page two of the local section of the newspaper. Is this guy a serial killer who's been eluding police while sending cryptic messages? No. Was the victim an aide to a congressman? Having an affair with said congressman? No and no. I heard a news update on NPR something like ... Craiglist killer arrested... prosecuters are calling him a monster... and I thought why is a local murder story making it to the two minute national news update and why is NPR repeating the prosecuter's PR line. If Craigslist wasn't involved, we'd never have heard about this.
djjd62
 
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Reply Wed 22 Apr, 2009 06:09 am
@engineer,
exactly
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Linkat
 
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Reply Wed 22 Apr, 2009 07:04 am
@engineer,
I understand why it is so big where I live, but was also shocked to hear it was national news. It was explained this morning because it was unbelievable - the young clean cut doctor to be is a killer. Now if it was some druggie it wouldn't be so big. And also because as the first poster noted how could someone so supposedly smart be so stupid that makes headline news. I think he had such a huge ego he didn't think he could get caught.
shewolfnm
 
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Reply Wed 22 Apr, 2009 07:31 am
The reason why this story is getting a lot of hype is because there are several small laws being passed around right now to limit and restrict access to the internet. If you can convince a population that something is possibly dangerous , they will accept any and all restrictions to it " in the name of safety" and be ok with giving up their free access to it.

you will see alot of these types of stories hitting the news in the coming months.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 22 Apr, 2009 07:48 am
@BillRM,
Isn't he suspected of a lot more than this one murder? Another robbery, holding a woman at gunpoint and then fleeing when her husband showed up, something else too I think. I definitely had the impression that it wasn't a one-off thing.

Here we go:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/Story?id=7398011&page=1
Linkat
 
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Reply Wed 22 Apr, 2009 08:00 am
@sozobe,
There were two known robberies. And suspected that there were many others that were not reported.

Another unusual thing was that two of these incidents (one robbery and the murder) happened in higher scale hotels.
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chai2
 
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Reply Wed 22 Apr, 2009 08:15 am
@engineer,
engineer wrote:

why is NPR repeating the prosecuter's PR line. If Craigslist wasn't involved, we'd never have heard about this.


I believe you're taking that out of context. I was listening to that storey on NPR yesterday, and I heard it as them saying if craigslist wasn't involved, these women would have been advertising on other sites, which may have been illegitimate.
Since it was on a legit site like craiglist, they were able to track it more easily.

Personally, I am very wary of craigslist, and I mean for years.

I've advertised items for sale, with no success. It did however, attract some strange calls.
I haven't kept up on how craigslist is doing, but it always seemed too loosely run to me anyway.

I think we would have heard about this if craigslist hadn't been involved.
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chai2
 
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Reply Wed 22 Apr, 2009 08:17 am
@Linkat,
Linkat wrote:

I understand why it is so big where I live, but was also shocked to hear it was national news. It was explained this morning because it was unbelievable - the young clean cut doctor to be is a killer. Now if it was some druggie it wouldn't be so big. And also because as the first poster noted how could someone so supposedly smart be so stupid that makes headline news. I think he had such a huge ego he didn't think he could get caught.


I concur....that's why it's so big....medical student, clean cut.

my goodness, how in the world could someone like that be a killer. Rolling Eyes
Linkat
 
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Reply Wed 22 Apr, 2009 08:37 am
@chai2,
In this same line of thinking - my older daughter was watching the news with me and saw the woman accused of killing that little girl in California. My daughter was shocked - she was the one who killed her?! She was shocked as this woman looked normal and looked like a nice person. I pointed out to her (as I have countless times) that you cannot tell if some one is nice or not by the way they look. As hard as it was for her to see a little girl that was killed and her accused murder, it was a learning situation.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 23 Apr, 2009 03:23 am
Craiglist is the same as placing an adv in a newspaper and an adv on craiglist have the same level of risk of doing so as in the local newspaper.

Before this doctor/killer story came up my wife was trying to sell a hot tub on craiglist and before so doing she make sure that I would be home when people would come over to look at the hot tub in question.

The reason it is front page news is the good looking doctor to be and killer and the fact that the crime involved sex for sale not because of the craiglist connection in my opinion.
chai2
 
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Reply Thu 23 Apr, 2009 07:55 am
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Craiglist is the same as placing an adv in a newspaper and an adv on craiglist have the same level of risk of doing so as in the local newspaper.


Not hardly. Less and less people read classifieds, it's too much trouble.

May be a mental thing, but it's just so much easier to click onto craigslist or other web sites than to sit down with a marker pen and a newspaper, circle items you're interested in.

If someone is going to be looking for a "massage service" there's a good chance they've already been looking at porn sites, thinking about it. Gone are the days where someone is looking at a porn magazine, then gets the idea in his head he'd like a "massage" and then go looking for a newspaper to get some phone numbers and addresses.

The internet is one stop shopping. You go onto craigslist (for instance) looking to buy a used sofa, and end up clicking on casual encounters.

Casual encounters is my favorite for getting some laughs.

I don't think you can compare the two.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 23 Apr, 2009 02:40 pm
@chai2,
Craiglist Chai2 is a classifelds service nothing more and nothing less and the same features can be found in any major newspaper in the US including the sex adv.

Depending on the newspaper in question is how frank those sex advs they run are or are not.

Now the fact you can click from a porn or other type of sex site to craiglist have nothing to do with the nature of craiglist.

Anymore then the fact that I can click from a site selling say new internet routers to craiglist to check prices between new ones and the ones being offer on craiglist.
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chai2
 
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Reply Thu 23 Apr, 2009 05:16 pm
@chai2,
chai2 wrote:

Not hardly. Less and less people read classifieds, it's too much trouble.

May be a mental thing, but it's just so much easier to click onto craigslist or other web sites than to sit down with a marker pen and a newspaper, circle items you're interested in.

I don't think you can compare the two.
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