@Mame,
Mame wrote:
CalamityJane wrote:
cicerone imposter wrote:
That's been practice for many decades now. I'm doing the opposite; getting cremated then my ashes spread in the Pacific Ocean to continue my travels.
Me too! So we shall meet again in the Pacific, cicerone!
You guys are sick.
really.
what's wrong with rotting in the ground like everyone else?
It will give a new meaning to the term big stiffy.
@Fountofwisdom,
There's a
Big Chill joke somewhere in there, too, but I'm too sleepy to look for it.
The problem is that water is one of the small subset of substances which is less dense in the solid than the liquid form. That is, when you freeze it, it expands, like a milk bottle left on a door step in the winter overflowing as it freezes. When you freeze someone, the ice breaks through and ruptures cell walls, including in the brain. So, in order to wake you up, they would have to have a cure for all the ruptured cell walls.
@chai2,
CJ, We're going to show these underground yokels how to really have fun....
Am I not the only person just a little bit worried about the fact that re-animating the dead is going to lead to.....
ZOMBIES!!!!
Sure, we're all concerned about having ourselves frozen to wait out till they decant us. We all love to see our descendents and how society has changed, arent't we??
Well, its gonna be a little bit difficult if you start stumbling around, decomposing flesh dropping off your rotting corpse as you raid the brains of the living for sustenance. Jeez, that would be a real bummer;
Quote:"Suzie, here's my great-great- grandfather. Back from the dead ..... oh. jeez Pop - how am I gonna get a date to the prom when you just kill every girl I bring home? Still... she is warm.. won't go to waste"
@Mr Stillwater,
Mr Stillwater wrote:
Ok, the freezing part I can get - I keep food that way for months.
This is the bit I don't get....
Quote:One that will thrust us beyond the stars!
It's a package deal? First you get frozen,
then shot off into space? Sure in a coupla billion years you
will have drifted into interstellar space,
but you ain't going to be enjoying it are you?
You might as well be frozen on the Alps as somewhere near Beta Centauri....
We r in intersteller space
NOW
David
@Mr Stillwater,
Mr Stillwater wrote:
And no, they didn't freeze Walt Disney - the Jew-hating bastard.
http://www.snopes.com/disney/waltdisn/frozen.asp
The other thing that really bamboozles me is that people arrange
to have their heads cryogenically preserved.
Your head??
I might not be an expert on human anatomy, but I have a pretty
good idea that the people in the future will still require bodies.
There won't be a sort of 'chop-shop' of headless (but obviously alive)
bodies available to stick our 21st Century heads onto.
And don't say 'Well, they're going to transplant them onto the bodies
of those people who've died'. Those people are going to have
THEIR heads frozen to transplant as well......
I think the idea is to co-ordinate reviving the decedent
with having a healthy new cloned body available for him,
onto which the head will be grafted.
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:
Just think; a head without a body that thinks about sex 24/7. LOL
Without gonads ? maybe not
#
Cryonics Institute
Possible future youthful life for people & pets, full cryonic service
www.cryonics.org
I don't know why Gus is so interested in cryogenics! Were you hoping to use it on one organ at a time? Viagara doesn't work for you?
I remember this from the 1950s or 60s.
I heard them on the radio a few times.
Their concept was that if u don t accept
their service, then u will die and u will rot
so that reviving your body will be impossible.
Reference was made to fish who r naturally frozen
annually when the weather gets cold, and who happily
resume swimming when warm weather returns.
Thay argued that tho freezing damage cannot be
repaired now if science advances with time
so that in however many centuries thay CAN fix it,
then their customers will be revived as soon as it is possible
to do that in addition to repairing whatever dysfunction
brought about the guy 's demise in the first place.
In other words, when science is equal to the task
of fixing all of his problems, then he 'll be revived,
n repaired, in accordance with the terms of his contract.
As to cost,
thay argued that if u don t use their service,
then NONE of your accumulated wealth will ever be available
to u from the time of your death, forward forever,
whereas if u accept their service, then your wealth
will be invested to provide to maintainance of enuf
liquid nitrogen to keep u well frozen,
and thay pointed out that long term investments,
if wisely chosen can be profitable.
For a few years, I accepted the logic hereof.
I thought that it was sound, until I learned of new evidence
bearing upon this issue, to wit: the absence of life spirit.
Previously, I had assumed that if thay froze whatever is left,
thay 've got everything there and it will simply be fixed when possible.
Subsequenly, I became aware of near-death experiences
wherein people have told of leaving their bodies and returning
(sometimes under duress).
I also had a few out-of-body experiences myself,
such that I know that there is a conscious life force that can
leave and enter a human body. During my oobes, I knew
that the REAL ME had left my material body behind.
It is my understanding that in the last years of the life
of Thomas Edison, he considered this issue and ventured forth
to hospitals, visiting patients who were in the final days
of their Earthly lives.
He put their deathbeds upon scales of weight,
which allegedly showed a discernible loss of weight
at the moment of expiration. Thay consented to this
and did not resist his efforts.
The issue comes down to this, as I c it:
when thay freeze u,
do thay have all the parts there ?
When u r reawakened, u will need to have everything
that u had before death; if your spirit, the real YOU,
has left and not returned, then even if your old body
is successfully repaired n revived, there will be no one inside to use it
I don t wanna rain on your parade.
Quote:It is my understanding that in the last years of the life
of Thomas Edison, he considered this issue and ventured forth
to hospitals, visiting patients who were in the final days
of their Earthly lives.
He put their deathbeds upon scales of weight,
which allegedly showed a discernible loss of weight
at the moment of expiration. Thay consented to this
and did not resist his efforts.
No, he didn't. No they don't. There is a crap film from 2003 called
21 grams that makes this claim.
David, this is the only information you need to resolve this.
When you are dead, you cease to have any legal rights. There is no way to enforce a contract you may have taken out prior to this event (your death). If you are cryogenically frozen you and then dead (because if they started the process when you were alive, it would be murder) and thus have no legal rights. This also means that you are unable to 'pay' for the service. Even if you attempt to create a legal entity that will 'maintain' your estate during your 'absence' it would be unable to act according to your wishes as they have no legal binding after your death. An account that remains unused for a number of years is automatically taken over by the state, so you have no money to pay for the 'revival'. This whole 'enterprise' is the worst sort of sham - you would be better off creating a bequest that will at the very least have people thinking 'what a nice person', not 'what a total putz, wasted good money on a scam'.
@OmSigDAVID,
I'm confused as to what you write about Disney is true? The information I have is quite to the contrary.
"A long-standing urban legend maintains that Disney was cryonically frozen, and his frozen corpse was stored underneath the Pirates of the Caribbean ride at Disneyland. However, this was discredited due to the fact that
Disney was cremated, and the
first known instance of Cryonic Freezing of a corpse (of Dr. James Bedford) occurred a month later in January."
Of course, I feel as he was a noted McCarthy-era communist witch-hunter..and anti-semite of the lowest order, he could rot in hell for eternity and I'd be happy.
David - the law can't be amended (democratically or otherwise) because the nature of law IS A CONTRACT BETWEEN SOCIETY AND IT'S EXECUTIVE. Dead people are unable to honour their obligations to participate in society - they are unable to express an opinion and do things like pay taxes and vote. Dead is DEAD.
Your view of the human body seems to be based on Meccano - by attaching the correct parts and powering up, the effects of death can be 'reversed'. You may also be of the opinion that on some pre-determined day in time that the dead will somehow be raised up from the grave intact to face a judgement. Both are wrong ; the type of trauma that causes death is irreversible, the body at that point is just basically rotting - freezing it is just a carnival trick; next, there is no God - or to make it clearer, there is no being or manifestation of the universe that could raise the dead, as for the billions that proceeded us - their atoms are so scattered that reconstitution is impossible.
The only form of 'immortality' we have is to pass on our unique genetic material. I have done that already. I know there is an unbroken line of ancestors back from me to the first ever human/s. I can only suppose that as my children reproduce, the special collection of genetic material that makes up me will be 'alive' forever.
