@Frank Apisa,
Back, in what, o4, some of us met in San Francisco over several days, and the conversations naturalized to different people talking away at different times, with resultant musing, or once in a while flying discourse.. Different dynamic from a dinner, when one or the other person may be in a listening mode, or the opposite, or in between.
I like that JoeN talks in commas and dashes - well, I would, eh? (I remember Diane telling me he was quiet, heh).
So, who got second place?