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Obama's Roads & Bridges

 
 
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Tue 9 Dec, 2008 12:26 am
@H2O MAN,
Quote:
Face it, no administration has been able to put this country on the path
to energy independence and O boy is only going to make matters worse.

How is he going to make matters worse, again?
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 9 Dec, 2008 08:02 am
@InfraBlue,
InfraBlue wrote:

Quote:
Face it, no administration has been able to put this country on the path
to energy independence and O boy is only going to make matters worse.

How is he going to make matters worse, again?


His plan is to raise taxes and expand spending beyond anything we have seen in the past few decades.

This will make matters worse.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Tue 9 Dec, 2008 08:17 am
O-boy and his democronies have already made it worse. Anyone look at the stock market over the last two years? Anyone notice the huge fluctuations in the price of oil that the Dumbos were supposed to fix? The collapse in the housing market that began just after the 2006 electoin? Anyone notice that Barney Frank is still gay as a $3 bill?
Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 9 Dec, 2008 08:25 am
@cjhsa,
I've noticed that oil thing ....DAMMIT!!! Gas has gone from 4.00 a gallon to 1.65.....
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 9 Dec, 2008 08:36 am
@Bi-Polar Bear,

Just wait until O boy keeps his promise to pull the troops out of the battle
for Iraq... prices will head North as the situation in Iraq heads South.

BTW, one of O boy's partners in crime has been arrested.
Federal Agents Take Illinois Gov. Blagojevich into custody.
Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 9 Dec, 2008 09:00 am
@H2O MAN,
worth paying more at the pump to pull out of that clusterfuck....
H2O MAN
 
  -1  
Reply Tue 9 Dec, 2008 11:17 am
@Bi-Polar Bear,
You comment is understandable and expected because all of the dumbmasses feel the same way.
Bi-Polar Bear
 
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Reply Tue 9 Dec, 2008 11:20 am
@H2O MAN,
and we're currently in charge. suffer.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Tue 9 Dec, 2008 02:29 pm
@Bi-Polar Bear,
I'll not suffer, but the future for your kind is not so bright...
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farmerman
 
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Reply Tue 9 Dec, 2008 05:55 pm
@H2O MAN,
Quote:
Face it, no administration has been able to put this country on the path
to energy independence and O boy is only going to make matters worse.



The reason isnt anything that is politically sound. "Energy Independence" is impossible . We export oil and distillates to almost te amount that we import.

Its as silly as the bullahit nthat Brazil is energy independent with its ethanol production. Petrobas is a big fraud.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 9 Dec, 2008 06:29 pm
@farmerman,
It's a good job there's only us tosspots reading this. That must be actionable at law.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 10 Dec, 2008 06:25 am

FROM THE ENERGY TRIBUNE


Quote:
The Myth of Brazil’s Ethanol Success

Certain media and politicians have been admonishing us to follow the success of Brazil’s sugarcane ethanol and gain independence from Middle East oil. Among other claims: ethanol has displaced 40 percent of crude oil use in Brazil. The real story isn’t so rosy.

First, Brazil is a developing country whose consumption of crude oil is actually minuscule, 10 times less than the U.S. Interestingly, for the last 40 years, the energy consumed in Brazil as crude oil has been less than the total calorific value of corn grown in the U.S.!


Second, if one divides the total energy of ethanol consumed in Brazil by the energy of crude oil consumed there (crude oil is used for many things other than gasoline) the ratio is a mere 8 percent.


Third, Brazilians use twice as much diesel fuel as gasoline. The ethanol the country gets from sugarcane has added 40 percent only to the country’s gasoline supply.


Fourth, Brazilians are now almost self-sufficient in crude oil thanks to their oil company, Petrobras. Thus, they are selling sugarcane ethanol to Sweden, the U.S., and other countries, while driving on petroleum products at home.


Therefore, we should stop deceiving ourselves about the possibility of duplicating Brazil’s model unless we are prepared to do the following here in the U.S.


•The U.S. must cut its oil consumption by a factor of 6 in order for its per capita oil use to equal Brazil’s.
•To achieve this, all non-personal U.S. vehicles could be driven only one day per week.
•And all passenger cars and SUVs could be driven only one day every two weeks.




Add to this, the fact that Petrobas actually imports gasoline rather than recodring the imports as crude oil. SO they "cook" the data to make it appear that Brazil uses less "crude" (whereas it imports gasoline directly).








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cjhsa
 
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Reply Wed 10 Dec, 2008 07:05 am
I think Obama has a secret crush on Sarah Palin.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 10 Dec, 2008 07:06 am
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

Quote:
Face it, no administration has been able to put this country on the path
to energy independence and O boy is only going to make matters worse.



The reason isnt anything that is politically sound. "Energy Independence" is impossible .


I don't think it's impossible... all we need to do is replace the internal combustion engine with something totally new.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 10 Dec, 2008 09:00 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

Closing TV down would be a lot cheaper. You just pull the plug out.


I kinda agree with that thought
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 10 Dec, 2008 09:08 am
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:
all we need to do is replace the internal combustion engine with something totally new.

Oh! Is that all?
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 10 Dec, 2008 09:21 am
@DrewDad,
DrewDad wrote:

H2O MAN wrote:
all we need to do is replace the internal combustion engine with something totally new.

Oh! Is that all?


It would be real change that we could believe in.
spendius
 
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Reply Wed 10 Dec, 2008 10:42 am
@H2O MAN,
Actually it's fairly easy technologically. All you have to do is provide the funds. Then leave it to the experts. Piece of piss.
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