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Marriage Is for White People

 
 
Foofie
 
  2  
Sun 30 Nov, 2008 01:45 pm
@gungasnake,
gungasnake wrote:

Quote:
Also, women have biological clocks, so their getting married, in the childbearing years, is a race against time, and a race against the competition of the next younger group of women entering the marriage market...


The whole country is looking at that one the wrong way and if we don't come up with an answer to it, we're in for a world of trouble.

The problem to my thinking is simple: humans are biologically programmed and constructed to start having children and familes at 16 - 20 and not at 35 - 40. For America to ever prosper again as I see it, it has to again become respectable and normal for Americans to marry at 16 - 20. If that involves some form of welfare, all I can say is I'd rather have that than 20,000,000 illegal aliens walking around taking up the slack.





In my opinion, brilliant analysis. We can call this new era of early marriage, "The 1950's." Naturally, we will need a universal draft, so employers will know that the young veteran they are hiring has already learned to take orders in the military. It is sort of reminiscent of the Back to the Future movie? Or, possibly Leave It to Beaver?

aidan
 
  1  
Sun 30 Nov, 2008 01:59 pm
@Foofie,
Yeah well,as a white woman from a middle class family - the truth is that I didn't particularly want to get married - I found the whole concept of pledging to do something/anything 'forever' very difficult...but I did want to be a mother and I knew that if I were going to have children, the expectation in my cultural background was that I better damn well be married before I did it....so I did.

That's really about the only reason I did go through with the whole ceremony..I knew my parents would be happier if I did - and that's because of the type of background I'd grown up in.

So I see what Miller is saying - there's less of that expectation in the black community- that's a fact. It also seems (to me at least) there's also less of that expectation among the white middle classes in England. It seems perfectly acceptable to live together and have children here - I can't count the number of people who have children with their 'partners' that I've met here - and that means no marriage or commitment and these people are teachers/doctors/what have you....

It's not racist to state a fact.
dyslexia
 
  1  
Sun 30 Nov, 2008 02:02 pm
@aidan,
'Im reluctant to believe that marriage and commitment are mutually exclusive.
dyslexia
 
  1  
Sun 30 Nov, 2008 02:03 pm
@dyslexia,
dyslexia wrote:

'Im reluctant to believe that marriage and commitment are mutually exclusive.
not exactly what I meant to say, what I mean is that I don't really think that commitment is dependent on marriage.
hawkeye10
 
  0  
Sun 30 Nov, 2008 02:10 pm
@dyslexia,
a point that is illustrated by all the unmarried couples we know who are committed to each other, or conversely all the married couples we know who are not.

BUT, we are not looking at a situation were blacks are together but without papers, we are looking at female lead home where men are transient, if they are around at all.
dyslexia
 
  2  
Sun 30 Nov, 2008 02:27 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

a point that is illustrated by all the unmarried couples we know who are committed to each other, or conversely all the married couples we know who are not.

BUT, we are not looking at a situation were blacks are together but without papers, we are looking at female lead home where men are transient, if they are around at all.
yes, quite a different issue the, however, I remember that when I first went into social work under the old AFDC regulations, a woman with children applying for public assistance was required to accept home inspections where the prime objective was to insure that NO man as living in the home (inspecting closets for clothing etc) which often led to the man of the household "living" somewhere else. It's an easy next step to not living together at all.
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Sun 30 Nov, 2008 02:33 pm
@dyslexia,
The same regs applied to food stamps, but I'm not sure what the current regs are.
hawkeye10
 
  0  
Sun 30 Nov, 2008 02:36 pm
@dyslexia,
along the same lines there was a case in the press last week where a father/husband was found to be abusing one or more of the kids, the court ordered that he not have any contact with the kids, and that he have no contact with his wife at all either. The fear was that he would manipulate his wife into allowing contact with the kids against the will of the court , there for the court was justified in cutting him off from his wife also.

I am a socialist, but I agree with the wing-nuts that the courts are increasingly out of control.


dyslexia
 
  1  
Sun 30 Nov, 2008 02:39 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

The same regs applied to food stamps, but I'm not sure what the current regs are.
actually I don't think that's true although food stamps were/are regulated by the Dept of Agriculture rather than Human Services (welfare). What was true was that until the 1970's/80's the regs did require that the recipient provide proof that they had a proper kitchen in which to prepare/cook food commodities, this reg was erased because (obviously) it discriminated against persons in need but didn't have a proper kitchen.
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dyslexia
 
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Sun 30 Nov, 2008 02:50 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

along the same lines there was a case in the press last week where a father/husband was found to be abusing one or more of the kids, the court ordered that he not have any contact with the kids, and that he have no contact with his wife at all either. The fear was that he would manipulate his wife into allowing contact with the kids against the will of the court , there for the court was justified in cutting him off from his wife also.

I am a socialist, but I agree with the wing-nuts that the courts are increasingly out of control.



could you cite that please.
hawkeye10
 
  0  
Sun 30 Nov, 2008 02:56 pm
@dyslexia,
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/6420ap_wa_scow_spouse_no_contact.html
dyslexia
 
  1  
Sun 30 Nov, 2008 03:17 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
Moreover, the court said, limiting Warren's marriage rights was reasonably necessary to achieve the compelling state interest of protecting the girls and their mother.

The majority acknowledged that Washington courts "have been reluctant to uphold no-contact orders with classes of persons different from the victim of the crime."

The court also pointed out that sentences which infringe on a fundamental right - such as the right to marriage - must be drawn narrowly: "There must be no reasonable alternative way to achieve the state's interest."

Tailoring its decision closely to the case at hand, the court said that "under these unique facts" it could approve the no-contact order applying to Warren's wife.
Ok, unusual I admit however, I assume the court had information beyond what is reported in this news item.
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OGIONIK
 
  0  
Sun 30 Nov, 2008 03:24 pm
@Seed,
Seed wrote:

What ever happened to marrying for love?


?

whaa.. huh??
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Merry Andrew
 
  1  
Sun 30 Nov, 2008 05:46 pm
@Wilso,
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The biggest thing society needs is not to have a distinction between a black community and a white community. Should just be a community of people!


Amen.
OGIONIK
 
  0  
Mon 1 Dec, 2008 12:17 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

along the same lines there was a case in the press last week where a father/husband was found to be abusing one or more of the kids, the court ordered that he not have any contact with the kids, and that he have no contact with his wife at all either. The fear was that he would manipulate his wife into allowing contact with the kids against the will of the court , there for the court was justified in cutting him off from his wife also.

I am a socialist, but I agree with the wing-nuts that the courts are increasingly out of control.




i woulda been like, okay then how can i give them any money.

cant, courts orders.
OGIONIK
 
  0  
Mon 1 Dec, 2008 12:20 am
@OGIONIK,
i almost got food stamps. i didnt tho, i think it would effect my taxes somehow..

i hate dealing with taxes, dont mind payin em but simplify that **** already. i STILL havent got my stimulus check, they were like we didnt recieve your thingy, i forget the name.,. ehh. right on.
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Diest TKO
 
  1  
Mon 1 Dec, 2008 01:31 am
@Merry Andrew,
Merry Andrew wrote:

Quote:
The biggest thing society needs is not to have a distinction between a black community and a white community. Should just be a community of people!


Amen.

As usual, the discussion on race and culture is defined only In terms of the black and white communities.

The entire article addresses marriage as if we only marry people of our own race. I'm not impressed with it's observation or incite.

Typical
K
O

Wilso
 
  1  
Mon 1 Dec, 2008 03:09 am
@Diest TKO,
Diest TKO wrote:



The entire article addresses marriage as if we only marry people of our own race. I'm not impressed with it's observation or incite.

Typical
K
O




I'm Caucasian, my wife's Asian.
OGIONIK
 
  0  
Mon 1 Dec, 2008 03:15 am
@Wilso,
nice.

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Merry Andrew
 
  1  
Mon 1 Dec, 2008 04:16 am
@Wilso,
I knew that. That's why I understand where you're coming from. And I agree with you 100%. The only race I know anything about is the human race.
 

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