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india? you heard about the attacks?

 
 
cjhsa
 
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Reply Sun 30 Nov, 2008 07:23 pm
They're in charge of the world now.

http://www.riehlworldview.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/02/26/in_obama_kenya.jpg
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Wilso
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2008 03:06 am
@Zippo,
Zippo wrote:

Okay, here are the reason I think this is a false-flag operation.


You still standing by that given that the 10 terrorists have been positively identified as Pakistani?
Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2008 07:09 am
@JTT,
JTT wrote:
Islam is as much a religion of peace as any of the other religions of the world. But 'religion of peace' is pretty much an oxymoron.
Islam does not mean peace, it means submission. There are obvious differences between religions, its sloppy thinking to lump them all together and say they all have violent extremists. For example Quakers are pacifists, and have suffered for it.The problem with Islam lies in their naive belief that they have, in the form of the Koran, the last perfect and unchanging word of God. It doesnt allow much room for compromise. And it seems wherever there is religious violence, one side is always Islam...e.g. against Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Sikhism, Hinduism. I might be wrong here but I'd like to know of specifically religious inspired conflict that does not involve Islam. (And if there is any, I can always point to violence where both sides are followers of Islam e.g. Sunni against Shi'ite etc. etc.).
Zippo
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2008 07:23 am
@Steve 41oo,
Quote:
I might be wrong here but I'd like to know of specifically religious inspired conflict that does not involve Islam


Click here buddy! :

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article5186703.ece

& here :

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article4618690.ece
Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2008 07:25 am
@Steve 41oo,
regarding the attacks in Mumbai, its quite obvious there is a connection with Pakistan. But the Pakistani government is not in control of large sections of Pakistan. Meanwhile there is a desperate attempt here in the UK to deny or play down any British involvement. The scale of the problem may be smaller here, but its the same thing. There is a clash of loyalty between country and religion. No wonder they are desperate.
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2008 07:29 am
@Zippo,
ok thanks so there is Hindu Christian violence.

What else? (Compared with religious violence where at least one side is Muslim?)
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Zippo
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2008 07:30 am
@Wilso,
Extremist Hindus would pass as Pakistanis. I have reasons to doubt the Hindu Police:

Quote:

Shock as top Indian Army officer arrested over bomb attack

November 8, 2008

It may also force Indian authorities to investigate whether Hindu radicals were behind other recent bomb attacks, many of which have been blamed on Islamic extremists backed by Pakistan's intelligence service.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article5107111.ece
Foofie
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2008 11:56 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

Quote:
What matters is that we do not have our women relegated to hausfraus!


My mother's generation considered working to be relegation. And a lot of women still do. But those who work in Media all work obviously so they justify it en bloc and you think it's best because Media is your source of belief. Are you saying that a housewife with a husband to support her is a second-class citizen?

Women in the military is not the same as women in front-line combat.

Are you in favour of women taking the jobs over and us men doing the housework and getting glammed up. I like it. It sounds cool to me.


I would just like to see women, the world over, have the opportunity to do as they choose with their lives. That would mean be a housewife, if one chooses (and has a husband in agreement), or be in the government, business, whatever. In other words, aside from physical strength, women as a group are as capable as men as a group, and therefore should have the same opportunity as men. I am not talking about role reversal.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2008 12:13 pm
@Foofie,
What are you talking about? It looks like a list of assertions to me.

You turn them into people like me and they will have lost all of their charm and become defenceless in competition with us.
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Wilso
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2008 02:30 pm
Zippo,
As much as the shrub is a moron, you're a ******* idiot.
Zippo
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2008 02:58 pm
@Wilso,
It doesnt matter how much you swear your wife aint coming back!
Where the fcuk is 3 inch compared to 12 inch ? hey! ? ? ? Laughing
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2008 03:34 pm
Chilling
http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/nov/30mumterror-doctors-shocked-at-hostagess-torture.htm
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Mon 1 Dec, 2008 03:35 pm
Encouraging

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article5267860.ece
OGIONIK
 
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Reply Wed 3 Dec, 2008 01:44 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
they were on cocaine and LSD, why take lsd? to escape the fear of death perhaps?

cocaine and lsd, **** they had the time of their lives before they died.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Wed 3 Dec, 2008 03:30 pm
@Zippo,
Zippo wrote:

Extremist Hindus would pass as Pakistanis. I have reasons to doubt the Hindu Police:

Quote:

Shock as top Indian Army officer arrested over bomb attack

November 8, 2008

It may also force Indian authorities to investigate whether Hindu radicals were behind other recent bomb attacks, many of which have been blamed on Islamic extremists backed by Pakistan's intelligence service.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article5107111.ece



What makes many people also think, I believe, that the Mumbai attacks were not carried out by Hindus is because of the attack at the Jewish Center, and specifically the early-on torture and killing of the Israelis there. I say that because Hindu India has a very long history of having so little anti-Semitism that they (and China) were able to assimilate the Jewish community that had lived there. This is not even a recent history, since there is one school of thought that when the Spanish Jews were being exiled out of Spain, during the Inquisition, Columbus' expedition was being financed by Spanish Jews (La Reconquista just spent the last penny on retaking Granada from the Moors), with the hope of finding the legendary part of India where Jews lived autonomously. There was a state in India that did once have a thriving Jewish community.

I do not think that the economic impact of Jewish business in India (Mumbai) is so great that the torture and killing of Israelis would raise a cry from Hindu India to get rid of Muslim Indians, if that was a theory. The Israelis are not any Golden Goose to the Indians. I think it goes with the type of hatred of Israelis, by some Muslim terrorists, since the manner of the torture was so gruesome (as reported) that it makes me wonder what the message was, in killing this way? Also, the fact that the Israelis were killed early-on may reflect that the specific terrorists, that attacked the Jewish Center, thought it may be possible that Israeli commandos could eventually get there, and therefore they wanted to be sure to have this gruesome scene for any commandos to see, regardless if they (the terrorists) died.

Zippo
 
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Reply Wed 3 Dec, 2008 04:18 pm
@Foofie,
The Hindu commandos killed the Jews not the "Islamic terrorists", but good try Foofie!

Quote:
Commandos killed Jews, says Israeli rescue group

A private rescue group from Israel has claimed that Indian commandos inadvertently killed some of the hostages in the terror attacks in Mumbai, and the claim has evidently embarrassed both governments, news reports said on Tuesday.

“Based on what I saw, (although) I can’t identify the type of bullets in the bodies (of the victims), I don’t think the terrorists killed all the hostages, to put it gently,” Mr Haim Weingarten, head of the six-member team of Zaka voluntary organisation dealing with rescue and recovery, told The Jerusalem Post.

http://www.dawn.com/2008/12/03/top6.htm
Foofie
 
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Reply Thu 4 Dec, 2008 12:27 pm
@Zippo,
Zippo wrote:

The Hindu commandos killed the Jews not the "Islamic terrorists", but good try Foofie!

Quote:
Commandos killed Jews, says Israeli rescue group

A private rescue group from Israel has claimed that Indian commandos inadvertently killed some of the hostages in the terror attacks in Mumbai, and the claim has evidently embarrassed both governments, news reports said on Tuesday.

“Based on what I saw, (although) I can’t identify the type of bullets in the bodies (of the victims), I don’t think the terrorists killed all the hostages, to put it gently,” Mr Haim Weingarten, head of the six-member team of Zaka voluntary organisation dealing with rescue and recovery, told The Jerusalem Post.

http://www.dawn.com/2008/12/03/top6.htm



"Good try" for what? I read about torture being obviously done to the victims in the Jewish Center. I do not necessarily believe what I read. But, I do know that these non-Indian Jews would not have been targeted if their Center was not Jewish. What is the problem with admitting that the attackers targeted the Jewish Center? Perhaps, the wars that Israel has fought with its neighbors since 1948 were all really military exercises? There is no sin, I believe, for good Muslims to hate Israelis (it should just not be "acted out"). That will not make Israel disappear though.

Your starting your post above with, "good try," implies some sort of adversarial attitude in replying to my post, based on my supposedly having some sort of ulterior motive? I am not your adversary relative to Muslims and/or Israelis/Jews. I believe some Muslims have taken the bait to hate Jews, so they can be disenfranchised from progress in the world, since hating Jews is today considered in poor taste, by those that are the real powers in the western world. Getting some Muslims to hate Jews has acted as a character assassination on them as a group, I believe.
Zippo
 
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Reply Thu 4 Dec, 2008 01:07 pm
@Foofie,
Foofie, the "terrorists" wernt even Islamic, they were planning to kill Muslims as well not only Jews...

Quote:
Mumbai Terrorist Wanted to 'Killl and Die' and Become Famous
Commando Tells Cops He Murdered For Money and Offers to Help Police For Cash

By RICHARD ESPOSITO
December 3, 2008

Captured Mumbai Lashkar e Taiba terror commando Mohammed Ajmal Amir Qasab told police in a videotaped confession on the night of his arrest that he turned to violence in part because his impoverished family was promised almost $4000 US dollars if his attack succeeded.

"We were told that our big brother India is so rich and we are dying of poverty and hunger. My father sells dahi wada on a stall in Lahore and we did not even get enough food to eat from his earnings. I was promised that once they knew that I was successful in my operation, they would give Rs 1,50,000 [almost USD 4,000] to my family)," said Qasab.

He also naively begged police to not reveal he had survived since Lashkar e Taiba had sent him to die,and if it was revealed he had survived, he later would be killed by other members of his terrorist organization.

"Please do not tell anyone that I am caught alive otherwise they will kill me. They had told us that they would shoot us even if we returned to Pakistan," Asian Age reported.

According to Asian Age newspaper in Mumbai, Qasab also told authorities that he and the other nine members of his attack squad all carried student identification cards in an effort to hoodwink authorities should they have been stopped enroute to their targets in Mumbai. And he shocked police by his readiness to switch loyalities now that he was caught.


"If you give me regular meals and money I will do the same that I did for them," he said.



Intelligence and law enforcement sources in Mumbai tell ABC News that Qasab continues to be cooperative and is providing authorities with "new revelations" every day.

According to Asian Age, Qasab's original statement was written as well as video taped by police and took place very quickly following his arrest.

As has been publicly acknowledged by Indian authorities, Qasab told police that the group was trained to handle sophisticated weapons and to be at sea for up to a month, surviving on limited food and other resources. A student ID card of a college in Bangalore was also found on Qasab's person. "Qasab told us that all of them were carrying student identity cards to mislead the coastal guards in case they were questioned enroute," an officer present at the confession, who requested anonymity, said.

According to the officer, Qasab spoke Pathani Hindi and told the police that he threw up the moment he saw all the blood and gore. "Qasab said that he could not bear the sight of dead bodies and after creating enough havoc wanted to go back to Pakistan," the officer said.

Qasab had but a limited understanding of jihad, based on the statements he made to authorities. He told interrogators "it is about killing and getting killed and becoming famous." "Come, kill and die after a killing spree. By this one will become famous and will also make Allah proud," is what the suspect said when police asked him what he understood about jihad. He also said that initially the plan was to carry out the carnage in the month of Ramzan but their handlers could not arrange resources at that time," Asian Age reported. Qasab told his interrogators that he could not pursue his education because of the meager income of his father and, hence, had to drop out of school after his fourth year.

"When we asked whether he knew any verses from the Quran that described jihad, Qasab said he did not," police said. "In fact he did not know much about Islam or its tenets," according to a police source.

Police said that the original plan was designed to cause even more chaos than the mass casualty attacks that have pushed India and Pakistan into a period of tension and heated rhetoric that threatens to spill over into violence.


According to Asian Age, this LeT module was going to carry out the carnage in the month of Ramzan (Ramadan). "He said that they were going to carry out a similar strike in mosques in the city which would spark communal riots causing more casualties making their operation far from accomplished. However he said that they could not come at that time as their handlers could not arrange or the resources," Asain Age's police sources said.

Contrary to a number of published accounts, according to Asian Age, Qasab in his statement also told the police that the group had come to India for the first time and that there was no advance reconnaisance done in the city. Instead, he said, the attack team was shown detailed "videos of the two hotels and CST railway stations during training. Videos of the lobbies and the lifts, the structure, entry and exit points of the hotels and detailed videos of Nariman house too were shown to them. Qasab said they knew everything about the adjacent roads as well but knew nothing about the rest of the city," the newspaper reported.

Prior to commiting himself to LeT, police said that Qasab was a laborer working for a daily wage of Rs. 50, or about 63 cents.

Click Here for the Investigative Homepage.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6385015&page=1
Wilso
 
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Reply Thu 4 Dec, 2008 04:31 pm
@Zippo,
You can't really believe this crap you're peddling can you? I mean, nobody could be that stupid.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Thu 4 Dec, 2008 07:07 pm
@Zippo,
Zippo wrote:

Foofie, the "terrorists" wernt even Islamic, they were planning to kill Muslims as well not only Jews...


Zippo, are you feeling well? Your English seems to be off, and also your spelling?
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