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AFGHANISTAN - A LESSON 200 YEARS OLD

 
 
Advocate
 
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Reply Mon 12 Oct, 2009 08:20 am
@revel,
There seems to be general agreement that there is only a tiny number of AQ people in Afghanistan (maybe one hundred). This, I feel, indicates that there is not a great love/affiliation. The Taliban is really an amalgam of militants, adventurers, militia members under various strongmen, et al., who are not necessarily tied to the AQ. The Taliban realize that, should AQ be allowed to become operational in Afghanistan and it succeeds in a big attack on the USA, we will again move in and destroy both organizations. Why would the Taliban want this?
revel
 
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Reply Mon 12 Oct, 2009 09:56 am
@Advocate,
I take you word for the number of AQ in Afghanistan.

However, enough of the Taliban is aligned with AQ and other extremist groups as to make it no difference if there are not more AQ members in Afghanistan. Furthermore, the Taliban have been creating havoc in their own right with the help of those extremist groups or on their own in both Pakistan and Afghanistan. You continually act as though the Taliban are some innocent party and it is only if AQ gains strength in Afghanistan that we have to worry. AQ and other extremist groups are aligned with the Taliban in Pakistan, helping them to carry out attacks in Pakistan and Afghanistan.
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hamburgboy
 
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Reply Thu 14 Jan, 2010 04:45 pm
anybody still paying any/much attention to what's going on in afghanistan ?
perhaps it's all become too much "routine" by now ?

http://news.yahoo.com/topics/afghanistan

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KABUL " A suicide bomber killed 20 people " including three children " Thursday in a market in central Afghanistan in the deadliest attack against Afghan civilians in more than three months.

Suicide bombings and other attacks have become the No. 1 killer of Afghan civilians in the intensifying war between U.S.-led forces and the Taliban. A United Nations report released this week found that the number of Afghan civilians killed in war-related violence rose last year to its highest level of the 8-year-old war " with nearly 70 percent of the deaths blamed on the Taliban and their allies.


what did karzai recently say : " another 15 years " ?

i wonder how he came up with exactly 15 years - does he have experience in crapshooting ?
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 23 Feb, 2010 05:04 am
Karzai poll body power grab sparks Western concern
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/47354000/jpg/_47354799_008655078-1.jpg
President Karzai was forced into a poll runoff last year

Western diplomats have expressed deep concern at a decree from Afghan President Hamid Karzai granting him total control over a key election body.

The move gives him the power to appoint all five members of Afghanistan's Electoral Complaints Commission (ECC).

The watchdog helped expose massive fraud in last year's presidential poll, forcing Mr Karzai into a second vote.


The decree comes as Nato-led forces fight a major operation against the Taliban in central Helmand province.

The BBC has been told the outgoing UN representative to Afghanistan, Kai Eide, had struck a private deal that two of the five commission members would be foreigners. ...<cont>

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8529693.stm
Amigo
 
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Reply Tue 23 Feb, 2010 05:12 am
@Mr Stillwater,
Mr Stillwater wrote:

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a land of bandits


**** that! Whether the Afghans will ever become 'democratic' is moot. Right now they are the world's supplier of opium, a crop grown and distributed in the so-called 'secure' areas. This stuff becomes the currency of criminals and terror groups, no matter what their colour or stripe. To talk of 'liberty' and 'democracy' in a nation where the only career path is either drug grower or gun-man is meaningless. That might occur when the Afghanis can actually have a future that includes clean water, an education and a chance to engage in lawful trade.
Americans sell opium to, among other things
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msolga
 
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Reply Tue 23 Feb, 2010 05:24 am
@msolga,
Quote:
ANALYSIS
Chris Morris
Chris Morris, BBC News, Kabul


Western diplomats in Kabul are still chewing over the potential implications of the presidential decree, and waiting on a precise translation of the long text from Dari into English.

Part of the concern is that even if Mr Karzai has no intention of misusing the power to make appointments, it simply doesn't look good, especially at a time when trying to entrench transparent democracy is one of the goals of the international mission.

On the other hand there is a lot of talk of "Afghanisation" - of Afghans taking more control over their own affairs.


And there are those who argue that the electoral process should not be immune from that. So the small print, the legal detail of what the decree says, and how it will be interpreted, will be critical.
hamburgboy
 
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Reply Fri 21 May, 2010 04:34 pm
@msolga,
it's been a while ... so how are things going in afghanistan now ?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/south_asia/10124564.stm

Quote:
Afghan insurgents attack Bagram air base

BBC's Mark Dummett on what is known about the Bagram attack

Suspected Taliban militants have attacked one of the largest and most-heavily fortified US bases in Afghanistan.

Ten insurgents were killed and seven US troops injured in the battle at Bagram air base that raged for several hours, a US official said.


and i thought - foolishly - there would be peace by now ... perhaps the next u.s. president will still have this bone to chew on .
hamburgboy
 
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Reply Fri 21 May, 2010 04:53 pm
@hamburgboy,
are these good news about afghanistan or what ?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/afghanistan/article7133489.ece

Quote:
May 21, 2010

David Beckham en route to Afghanistan to boost morale of troops


that's what's needed : MORALE BOOSTER !

there must be a few other things to offer to the troops " to boost their morale " .
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jun, 2010 07:01 pm

Quote:
Afghan president 'has lost faith in US ability to defeat Taliban'
Jon Boone in Kabul
guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 9 June 2010 20.29 BST


Afghanistan's former head of intelligence says President Hamid Karzai is increasingly looking to Pakistan to end insurgency

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2009/10/4/1254675725413/US-soldiers-in-Logar-prov-001.jpg
US soldiers in Logar province, Afghanistan US soldiers in Logar province, Afghanistan. Photograph: Nikola Solic/Reuters

President Hamid Karzai has lost faith in the US strategy in Afghanistan and is increasingly looking to Pakistan to end the insurgency, according to those close to Afghanistan's former head of intelligence services.

Amrullah Saleh, who resigned last weekend, believes the president lost confidence some time ago in the ability of Nato forces to defeat the Taliban.

As head of the National Directorate of Security, Saleh was highly regarded in western circles. He has said little about why he quit, other than that the Taliban attack on last week's peace jirga or assembly in Kabul was for him the "tipping point"; the interior minister, Hanif Atmar, also quit, and their resignations were accepted by Karzai.

Privately Saleh has told aides he believes Karzai's approach is dangerously out of step with the strategy of his western backers. "There came a time when [Karzai] lost his confidence in the capability of the coalition or even his own government [to protect] this country," a key aide told the Guardian.

Saleh believes Karzai has long thought this, but his views were crystallised in the aftermath of last year's election when millions of votes were found to be fraudulent; Karzai blamed the US, UK and United Nations for the fraud.

According to the source, Saleh is deeply concerned by Karzai's noticeably softer attitude towards Pakistan. The president has long dropped his past habit of excoriating Pakistan for aiding the Taliban.

Saleh also echoes complaints of US commanders that Karzai refuses to behave like a commander-in-chief, and is not publicly leading the counterinsurgency campaign devised by Stanley McChrystal, the US commander of Nato forces.
...<cont>


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/09/afghanistan-taliban-us-hamid-karzai
msolga
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jun, 2010 08:03 pm
@msolga,
Sadly, the conflict in Afghanistan appears to be right off the (news) radar. Apart from every now & then, when fresh troop deaths are reported. Like this recent solemn announcement in Oz recently. ("They died for for their country...", etc, etc, etc ... please pardon my cynicism)
We seem to have lost track of what is actually happening there. And whether the "achievements" in Afghanistan are worth the deaths of all those young NATO & other troops. How many dead now from the UK? From the US? From other NATO countries? Is anyone counting? When will this tragic farce actually end & what will it have achieved? :


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Time for an honest appraisal of mission
June 9, 2010/the AGE
http://images.theage.com.au/2010/06/09/1579753/defence-420x0.jpg
Acting Chief of the Defence Force, Lieutenant General David Hurley, announces the death of two Australian diggers in Afghanistan. Photo: Stefan Postles

COMMENT
Kevin Rudd's favoured spin on Afghanistan is wearing thin. Asked about the war, he always trots out the same lines - it's ''difficult and dangerous'' work, he says, and there is no ''blank cheque'' as far as Australia's military commitment goes.

He said this yesterday when talking of two more Australian soldiers killed, the same words he used in April 2008 after the first Australian soldier died on his watch. He has said it for each fatality since.

Yet the PM is never frank enough to write a value on the cheque, to actually own up to how long he thinks Australia should stay in this conflict that stretches back to 2001....<cont>


http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politics/time-for-an-honest-appraisal-of-mission-20100608-xtmy.html
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msolga
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jun, 2010 11:56 pm
Video from the Oz ABC program Foreign Correspondent.
It's nearly half an hour long, but if you have the time, well worth a look. It was certainly an eye-opener for me.:


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http://www.abc.net.au/foreign/content/2009/s2820327.htm
msolga
 
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Reply Thu 10 Jun, 2010 12:05 am
@msolga,
Another video from Foreign Correspondent. (It's a terrific program.)
This one's quite an amazing insight into Afghanistan, opium wars, war lords & their dealings with US authorities. Quite mind-boggling, some of it!
Well worth a look. I learnt a lot from watching it. Not as long as the previous program (above) though both are excellent.:


Quote:
"You can't look for lilywhite purity in Afghanistan; it doesn't exist by our standards"
Thomas Schweich, US Ambassador for Counternarcotics 2007-08.


It's one of the world's most dangerous places where friendships can be fickle and America's strategy of playing favourites means either a palace or a prison cell. Getting things done means getting cosy with some pretty unsavoury types, where a future US President seeks the counsel of an alleged drug runner and killer.

In early 2002, Foreign Correspondent's Mark Corcoran was in the southern Province of Kandahar, where he encountered two warlords who had become the key players in Washington's strategy to eliminate the Taliban.

Now Corcoran has returned to the war zone to discover they've both taken very different paths - one to high influence and prestige, the other to an American prison for life.
Their divergent destinies are an apt metaphor for the treachery and failed strategies of a war now dragging into its 8th year.

It's a white knuckle journey through Afghanistan's dark underbelly featuring a re-union - of sorts - with the man who's become known as The Bulldozer. ...<cont>


http://www.abc.net.au/foreign/content/2009/s2600003.htm
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msolga
 
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Reply Thu 10 Jun, 2010 12:41 am
Good grief, this CANNOT possibly be right, could it? Shocked

I doubt that Australians (nor the US, nor the rest ...) would tolerate such a course of action.:


Quote:
Aussies could be in Afghanistan 'until 2040'
Updated 5 hours 5 minutes ago

A former high-ranking United States defence official says Australian troops could be in Afghanistan for the next 30 years. ....

..... Mr Ellsberg says the recent deployment of 30,000 US troops is unlikely to be the last such deployment.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/06/10/2923407.htm
hamburgboy
 
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Reply Thu 10 Jun, 2010 08:14 am
@msolga,
msolga quoted :

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aussies could be in afghanistan until 2040


wasn't long ago that pres karzai talked of another 20 years - and was thought to be spouting rubbish .

for most canadians afghanistan is off the radar screen , even though more canadian soldiers are being killed almost every week - i think it's called ' battle fatigue ' on the homefront .
hamburgboy
 
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Reply Thu 10 Jun, 2010 12:41 pm
@hamburgboy,
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/06/10/belgium.mcchrystal/index.html?hpt=T1

there must always be an optimist in any crowd .
is anyone keeping track of the predictions made by the military brass and politicians - should fill a book nicely .

Quote:
(CNN) -- American-led operations against the Taliban in southern Afghanistan will happen "more slowly than we had originally anticipated," the top U.S. military commander in Afghanistan said Thursday.

"I think it will take a number of months for this to play out. But I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. I think it's more important that we get it right than we get it fast," Gen. Stanley McChrystal said on the sidelines of a NATO meeting in Brussels, Belgium.

McChrystal, a counterinsurgency expert, was talking about the broad range of American operations against the Islamist movement that used to rule Afghanistan, not only armed combat.

"I want to make sure we've got conditions shaped politically with the local leaders, with the people," he said.

"We really want the people to understand and literally pull the operation towards them, as opposed to feeling they are being forced with something they didn't want," he said.

Meanwhile, American casualties in Afghanistan are likely to continue to increase, particularly through the summer, he said.

"It's likely that our casualties and violence will continue to rise particularly through the summer months. They could rise well into the fall," he said.

"We are pressuring the enemy, and they are reacting to that," he said.

they sure are , aren't they ?

msolga
 
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Reply Thu 10 Jun, 2010 09:06 pm
@hamburgboy,
Quote:
...Meanwhile, American casualties in Afghanistan are likely to continue to increase, particularly through the summer, he said.

"It's likely that our casualties and violence will continue to rise particularly through the summer months. They could rise well into the fall," he said.

"We are pressuring the enemy, and they are reacting to that," he said.


Neutral
msolga
 
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Reply Thu 10 Jun, 2010 09:10 pm
@msolga,
A real possibility of another 3o years of this?

Jesus wept.
hamburgboy
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2010 10:46 am
@msolga,
msolga ,
i find that many ( most ) canadians just shrug their shoulders when anyone mentions " afghanistan " - it seems to get less attention than the ragweed season ( when people sneeze a lot ) .
people seem to feel that the " war " will just go on under its own momentum .

re-reading gen. mccrystal's remarks ( assuming them to be correct ) - i wonder what his true feelings/thoughts are - has he been on another planet for some time ?
.......................................................
quoting the general : " I think it will take a number of months for this to play out "

3 months - 5 - 10 - ....

" some " seems to be completely unspecific ( he does not really know , does he ? )

( and i don't think it's a " play " - it's a very bloody war/military action )
hamburgboy
 
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Reply Fri 11 Jun, 2010 10:54 am
@hamburgboy,
sorry : "some " needs to be replaced by " a number of months " .

i'm getting lazy or angry .
hamburgboy
 
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Reply Sat 12 Jun, 2010 09:26 am
@hamburgboy,
since afghanistan is on the other side of the world , i suppose i'll better realize that this topic is no longer of much interest .
 

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