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Should There Be a Draft? Should Women Register For It?

 
 
roger
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2008 01:24 pm
@Endymion,
Endymion wrote:

The army teaches brutality and servitude. Isn't there enough of that in the world already?


Well, yeah, it does, kind of. Really, I'm of the opinion that it is seldom a lasting lesson after only one term of service. You are more likely (again, in my opinion) to find this in professional, career type solders. Someone serving three or four years, and returning to civilian life just seems less likely to worry overmuch about relations with superior officers and noncoms.
CalamityJane
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2008 01:48 pm
@roger,
No! I would not like to get drafted and I rather move temporary to another
country than getting drafted.
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JTT
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2008 01:52 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
Reagan overthrew communism for GOOD REASON.


You show yourself a fool with such arrant nonsense, David. The man was a simpleton.
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Diest TKO
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2008 02:35 pm
If there is a draft, yes women should be registered as well.

The landscape of modern warfare has changed and many military positions now are centered around technology and communications, it's not all just firing guns and throwing grenades.

I think that our female soldiers have proven themselves well in all the duties of a soldier including the gun firing and grenade throwing.

As for opinions on a draft, I think that a draft should only be able to put into effect if war has officially be declared by congress, none of this police action wars.

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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2008 02:37 pm
@Diest TKO,
Makes sense.
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Diane
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2008 04:15 pm
@Thomas,
You are so right, Thomas.

In my case, I guess "if" stands for wishful thinking.
rabel22
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2008 04:39 pm
@Diane,
I believe that there should be a draft and all people who can serve should in some public service position. Two years of service would provide a trained army for self defence. If we had a draft I dont believe that bush could have pushed his fake war on us. If everyone had to go to war and we all knew our children would be at risk we would be more aware of the dangers of stupid wars. I also believe that a professional military is a danger to the freedoms we enjoy. Think about the south american countries and thier professional armies. Couldent happen here. Bush and his imperial presidency has come closer than most people realize.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2008 05:17 pm
@rabel22,
Let the people that want a draft get in line. Let the rest of us the hell alone.
Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2008 05:21 pm
@Endymion,
No offense, Endy, but there's a cartload of BS in that post. I get the feeling that you're not so much arguing against the draft but rather against the military establishment per se. I might agree with you; I might disagree with you. But, poit is, that's an entirely different argument.

What does 'should' mean? I think that, properly phrased, the original question in this thread should have been, "If it is felt that a standing milittary force is necessary for the security of the nation, should there be a draft of all able-bodied persons to staff that military force? At any rate, that's how I understood the question. Those who know me and who know that I support a draft also know that I do so, in part, at least, because I distrust a professional army, essentially a well-trained military force which has more loyalty to its leaders than to the people they are supposed to be protecting.

You refer to "young, disadvantaged people" as those who would be the "first to get drafted." Who do you think the majority of the volunteers are now? Young, disadvantaged people who are having difficulty finding jobs in the civilian sector. There are the random few who just simply like military life, who join the army because they want to "play soldier." But they're the rare exception. Most people -- men and women -- join because it's a job and, with the benefits the government offers, could be a gateway to a better career after their enlistment is up.

[Aside: The undeniable fact that "our Governments SHOULD have behaved responsibly after 9/11" is a non sequitur. It has nothing whatever to do with an argument either for or against a draft.]

Where did you get the notion that the army teaches "brutality and servitude"? Do you watch a lot of war movies? The army teaches brutality in the same sense that a business course in bookkeeping teaches how to cheat on your taxes. If that's what you carry away from the training, so be it. It's not the intent.

Please allow me to tell you what is the most important thing I learned in the army. (And, with respect to Thomas, no, it wasn't how to sew in my own buttons or how to do my own laundry. Smile) What I got from my army training was an understanding of the importance of responsibility in whatever you do. I learned that no matter what assignment you're given, it is important to try -- I mean, really try -- to do it to the best of your ability. It doesn't matter what the assignment is. It might be what is euphemistically known as "policing the area" which basically means to go over inch by inch by inch the area assigned and pick up every damned cigarette butt and piece of scrap paper and anything else anyone might have dropped. Truly meaningless, stultifyingly dull work, right? Right. And I learned that it's important to do it well, to get in the habit of doing any job well. Why? Because your next assignment might be so important that several lives depend on you. If you're already in the habit of not missing any details (e.g. cigarette butts hiding in corners), you might save those lives.

For most people, military training is a positive learning experience. And there are unexpected fringe benefits. I have never been in such good health, either before my service or after, as I was when on active duty. Right weight, good muscle tone, proper diet, etc. etc. etc.

There are a number of other inanities in your post, as well, but everybody's tired of reading my diatribe by now, I'm sure. Best of luck to you, Endy.



cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2008 05:28 pm
@Merry Andrew,
Gee, MA, you're being rather tough on Endymion. There are relationships between his thesis and the realities of how we "man" or military.

If we're talking about "ideal," then I think most of us will agree we shouldn't even have a military complex. Wars are always stupid, and kills people - both innocents and the people who fight in the wars/battles. On top of all that, we expend too much money for killing over money spent on health care and curing.
spendius
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2008 05:30 pm
@edgarblythe,
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Let the people that want a draft get in line. Let the rest of us the hell alone.


That's what any self-respecting Darwinian is bound to think.
Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2008 05:34 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Oh, I totally agree with you, c.i. that wars are stupid and in an ideal world a military would not be necessary. My point was that that is a different argument and not what we're talking about here. The question wasn't whether we should do away with an army. The question was, as long as we have agreed to have an army, should there be a draft? Endymion's points might stand up all right if he was arguing for abolition of the military. But that ain't what he said.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2008 05:51 pm
@spendius,
spendius
You are such a jerk.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2008 05:55 pm
@edgarblythe,
He is expecially pricklus tonite, Ed.

Prolly not personal, just Spendi being whatever it is that he does...
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2008 06:03 pm
@Rockhead,
What he does is more pathetic than he will ever be aware.
Rockhead
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2008 06:04 pm
@edgarblythe,
Tis a full moon...
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Merry Andrew
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2008 06:06 pm
@edgarblythe,
Are you implying that Spendi is actually "aware" of anything in his stupor?
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2008 06:24 pm
@Merry Andrew,
You got me there, MA.
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hamburger
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2008 08:24 pm
@patiodog,
patiodog wrote :

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I'd like to think that if there was a draft we'd be less inclined to get involved in strategically and ethically questionable wars run by profiteers and money-grubbers, and that young people would vote in droves to ensure it.

But we had a draft during the Vietnam War, er, Conflict, so I guess that's not the case...


but the war was brought to an end more quickly (still too late imo) at least partly because the draft , wasn't it ?
hbg
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hamburger
 
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Reply Tue 14 Oct, 2008 08:37 pm
@Merry Andrew,
merry andrew wrote :

Quote:
Where did you get the notion that the army teaches "brutality and servitude"? Do you watch a lot of war movies? The army teaches brutality in the same sense that a business course in bookkeeping teaches how to cheat on your taxes. If that's what you carry away from the training, so be it. It's not the intent.


as the previous chief of canada's defence staff said : "our soldiers are trained to kill ... the "taliban" are scumbags ... " - and he recently retired with a good pension and plenty of job offers !!!

perhaps endy's statement was a little strong , but imo not that far off from what i heard the canadian top general say - particularly when i heard him pronounce it with "great vigour" - it made me shiver a bit !
hbg
 

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