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an intereesting story about the nebraska mall massacre..

 
 
OGIONIK
 
Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2008 12:26 am
mall shootout

theres 7 pages..


its a very interesting read. the poor kid.

"im gonna take a few peices of **** with me"
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OGIONIK
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2008 12:31 am
i hate it say it, me and this kid are very similar in certain respects.

his circumstances were just more extreme, and i couldnt kill a person.
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OGIONIK
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2008 12:47 am
wow really great read..

im not sure if this kid was evil, or the people who put him thru all that bullshit are.

"were all just numbers"

the poor kid..

he really didnt know the difference between right and wrong.
all he knew was pain...
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boomerang
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2008 07:57 am
Bookmarking for now.

I read this recently:

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Portrait of the School Shooter as a Young Man

We were told that Steven Kazmierczak, who killed five students and then himself at Northern Illinois University in February, was a sweet, unassuming, overachieving grad student who inexplicably snapped. He was not.

(More: http://www.esquire.com/features/steven-kazmierczak-0808?click=main_sr


I'll be back after a get a chance to read the RS article. Thanks for the link!
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2008 08:36 am
The good guys avoid "gun free zones".
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boomerang
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2008 09:01 am
That was a good read, onion.

I used to do a lot of volunteer work with a group devoted to pediatric cancer patients. I remember the group's founder explaining her struggle to raise money by telling me "Nobody likes to think that kids die from disease. Kids aren't supposed to die and when they do everyone expects it to have been an accident."

The same is true for neurological disorders. People don't expect kids to be "crazy". For a parent it is hard to find help when they suspect something isn't quite right.

While the actions of both of these boys are inexcusable, they're stories are heartbreaking.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2008 09:09 am
Immortalizing soulless punks with retarded parents isn't my idea of responsible journalism.
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boomerang
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2008 09:23 am
Then perhaps you should start a thread on responsible journalism and leave onions thread to people who want to discuss his topic.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2008 09:29 am
cjhsa wrote:
Immortalizing soulless punks with retarded parents isn't my idea of responsible journalism.

Yes, let's just ignore where these killers come from; they provide ammo for you pro-gun nuts anyway, right?
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boomerang
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2008 10:21 am
DrewDad wrote:
cjhsa wrote:
Immortalizing soulless punks with retarded parents isn't my idea of responsible journalism.

Yes, let's just ignore where these killers come from; they provide ammo for you pro-gun nuts anyway, right?


Interesting, DrewDad.....

Here's this kid who was treated like he was disposable. He grew up to treat others like they were disposable.

And someone comes along and says, essentially, "Who cares. He was disposable."

You have to think about other kids, those other "disposable" kids, who read comments like this and think "Why bother."

Nobody is disposable.
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OGIONIK
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2008 10:56 am
i know exactly what he was thinking.

If im not worth anything, who else is?

im gonna take myself out, and im bringing some of these "numbers" with me...


so sad, what could anyone do to prevent it is what i want to know.
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2008 11:03 am
boomerang wrote:
DrewDad wrote:
cjhsa wrote:
Immortalizing soulless punks with retarded parents isn't my idea of responsible journalism.

Yes, let's just ignore where these killers come from; they provide ammo for you pro-gun nuts anyway, right?


Interesting, DrewDad.....

Here's this kid who was treated like he was disposable. He grew up to treat others like they were disposable.

And someone comes along and says, essentially, "Who cares. He was disposable."

You have to think about other kids, those other "disposable" kids, who read comments like this and think "Why bother."

Nobody is disposable.

We make people take a test before driving a car, people are supposed to be 21 before they can drink alchohol, but anybody can have a kid.

The world is crazy.
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OGIONIK
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2008 11:09 am
DrewDad wrote:
boomerang wrote:
DrewDad wrote:
cjhsa wrote:
Immortalizing soulless punks with retarded parents isn't my idea of responsible journalism.

Yes, let's just ignore where these killers come from; they provide ammo for you pro-gun nuts anyway, right?


Interesting, DrewDad.....

Here's this kid who was treated like he was disposable. He grew up to treat others like they were disposable.

And someone comes along and says, essentially, "Who cares. He was disposable."

You have to think about other kids, those other "disposable" kids, who read comments like this and think "Why bother."

Nobody is disposable.

We make people take a test before driving a car, people are supposed to be 21 before they can drink alchohol, but anybody can have a kid.

The world is crazy.


i hear that loud and clear...
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2008 11:26 am
DrewDad wrote:
cjhsa wrote:
Immortalizing soulless punks with retarded parents isn't my idea of responsible journalism.

Yes, let's just ignore where these killers come from; they provide ammo for you pro-gun nuts anyway, right?


Did I say that? No, you're spinning in a lame and unsuccessful attempt to discredit my opinion on the matter. Shitty parenting produces shitty kids. Shitty reporting making them out to be martyrs certainly doesn't help.
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boomerang
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2008 12:15 pm
OGIONIK wrote:
i know exactly what he was thinking.

If im not worth anything, who else is?

im gonna take myself out, and im bringing some of these "numbers" with me...


so sad, what could anyone do to prevent it is what i want to know.


What anyone might be able to do to prevent it is the big question.

From the article:

Quote:


And later his mom says:

Quote:
"To let him know that he was troubled but he wasn't sick."


I don't know if it can be prevented but simply recognizing what is happening to a baby's brain and not denying that someone is mentally sick would go a long way in helping.

I've practically made a career out of trying to understand this kind of thing but I know I'm no closer to making sense of it than anyone else.


cj, I'm really curious, what in this article gave you the sense that he was being made into a "martyr"?
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2008 12:18 pm
As noted by others, the article is exactly what that kid wanted.
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boomerang
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2008 12:26 pm
So you and the "others" believe that no one would have heard of this kid or this event if not for "Rolling Stone"?
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2008 12:36 pm
You really don't get it do you?
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boomerang
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2008 12:38 pm
I guess not.

The story was all over the news. Was that irresponsible journalism or is this type of thing not news?
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Mon 11 Aug, 2008 12:39 pm
Then that would be two...

I think she does get it, shooter.

I do as well, but don't have time to dink with ya right now...
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