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Black Hole in B Flat

 
 
Letty
 
Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2003 02:35 pm
I just knew that we could mix science and music. Very Happy

http://news.yahoo.com/fc?tmpl=fc&cid=34&in=science&cat=astronomy_and_space_news

You can't play it on your piano, though.

Just what is the black hole playing?

I would say "There's a hole in the bucket " (in b flat, of course)

What would you say?
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Acquiunk
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2003 02:43 pm
Many a soul lies asleep in the deep, deep sea.
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Letty
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2003 05:33 pm
Acquiunk, Great reposte....inviting BoWoGo to see if he hangs himself... Very Happy
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BoGoWo
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2003 05:42 pm
a black hole in the deep, deep sea, could only be characterized as very, VERY, thirsty! Shocked

[to the streins of Debussy's "La Mer" until we are out of water, thereafter to the 'Punk" French hit "Merdre!"]
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Letty
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2003 05:55 pm
Oh, Good grief, Bo. It's Many Brave hearts are asleep in the deep. Ah, Mel Gibson...William Wallace has once more been betrayed
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BoGoWo
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2003 06:01 pm
Perhaps if you wished to get an auditory allusion to the feeling of approaching a 'black hole' you might give Ravel's "Bolero" a try.
(but be prepared for it to be your last 'musical offering'! Rolling Eyes
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Letty
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2003 06:04 pm
ah, Ravel. Poor Bo Derek

There's a hole...there's a hole..there's a hole in the bottom of the sea.
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Beedlesquoink
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2003 07:32 pm
Shocked

Ahhh, you saw this item. Amazing. The universe has got a Bb pedal.... Wouldn't it be great to have ears that could hear Bb 57 octaves below middle C: think of the crazy chords you could pile up...

Anyway, it reminds me of the classic jazz joke:

Two American jazz musicians were visiting paris, and after a wild night sitting in on jams in the French quarter, they're sitting bleary eyed on the steps of Notre Dam, talking about everything from French chicks to Django... meanwhile behind them, up in the bell tower, some workmen hoisting a bell into place lose their grip on the pulley and a six ton bell tumbles from the tower
heights and comes crashing down on the steps behind them.

"What was that?" Says one.

"B flat," says the other.


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I'll brainstorm for you Letty and see if I can come up with some kind of song on this...
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Peace and Love
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2003 07:38 pm
Hi Letty....

how about... "Fixing A Hole", by the Beatles....


:-)
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Letty
 
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Reply Wed 10 Sep, 2003 07:45 pm
Heh,heh. Perfect PeaceandLove. Smile

Beedle, love that story. Kinda like the tourist asking the jazzman, "How do I get to Carnegie Hall?"

"Practice, man, practice." Razz
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Letty
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2003 04:04 pm
Beedle wanted me to post this response:

The galaxy is spinning and entropy is winning
and there's chaos in the patterns of the sky.
I'm standing looking up as exploding stars erupt
And my mind is much too boggled to ask why.

The universe is bending and it might be never-ending
Depends on just how much the matter's dark.
I could be twice as smart as Pliny, but my mind would
still be tiny,
insignificant as any top-spun quark.

I would feel so all alone, if it weren't for that
drone,
An ohm enormous infinite and fat.
The music of the spheres is ringing in my ears
The whole shebang's a jazz jam in B flat.
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Letty
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2003 04:36 pm
Ah, Beedle.

As always, touching the chord that connects us all. Here it?

In the key of C, I will always be,
It's because I'm too "gone" to play it.

Still the rhythm in my mind and in my heart
Will Say it.
The crisp glissade of stings that prod
The universe to fray it.

Looking up--Looking back--looking ahead.

and just so that we are reminded of Poe--

"...the moon never beams without bringing me dreams of the beautiful Annabel Lee..................................................................."

Descent into the maelstrom of the sky
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BoGoWo
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2003 05:51 pm
there is, of course, an extremely close relationship between music, and astronomy, the 'bond' being mathematics.

William Herchel, the famous astronomer, who advanced the art of telescope making, and in the 1700's, discovered the seventh planet out beyond the gas giant Jupiter, was by trade a musician; he played an oboe professionally, and composed for a living.
I guess you could say he sold his musical skills, so he wouldn't "Bflat"!
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Letty
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2003 06:29 pm
Well, Bo. I suppose you are correct in a way. One must be able to mathematically figure out how many beats there are to a measure.

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

I don't want to do that.
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Peace and Love
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2003 06:44 pm
Hi Letty.... Beedle's response is lovely.... is this something he wrote??? or, should I recognize these lyrics???

I've often heard about the relationship between music and mathmatics.... I think it's true.... I know of many examples.... of someone who is talented in music and who has an easy understanding of math.... they seem to go together....

:-)
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Letty
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2003 07:06 pm
Peace and Love. It is something that he wrote. Did you doubt it for one moment? <smile>

Thank you, Peace and Love. I was a wee bit agitated until I read your post.

Goodnight from Florida
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CodeBorg
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2003 08:26 pm
The article wrote:
(SPACE.com) - Astronomers have detected the deepest note ever generated in the cosmos, a B-flat flying through space like a ripple on an invisible pond. No human will actually hear the note, because it is 57 octaves below the keys in the middle of a piano.

How low a note *is* that? That's pretty low.
You can lookup the frequencies of notes on the piano.
http://www.mjorch.com/hertz.html


NOTES ARE WITHIN 3%
You can see that each note is about 5.9% different from the next. That is, A is 5.9% lower than B-flat, which is 5.9% lower than B. So when a scientist says a note is B-flat, then it must be within 3% of B-flat otherwise it would actually be closer to A or B.


LOWEST AUDIBLE NOTES
If you lower a note by one octave, the frequency is cut in half.
The A next to middle C is 220Hz (vibrates at 220 cycles per second).
The A below that is 110 Hz.
The A below that is 55 Hz.
The A below that is 27.5 Hz, the lowest note on a piano.

The human ear can hear down to about 20Hz, but our body can feel thumping vibrations down to about 2-4 Hz. If you grab a chair while somebody is sitting in it, and shake it as fast as you possibly can, you might be able to give them a vibrating massage as fast as 3 cycles per second. You can't hear it, but they sure can feel it!


THE EXPONENTIAL POWER OF 2
How low is 57 octaves below middle C? For one octave down, just divide by 2. For two octaves, divide by 4. For three octaves divide by 8. Then 16, 32, 64, 128, 512, 1024, etc. It multiplies incredibly fast from there!

B-flat (233.082 Hz) would have to be divided by 2^57, which comes out to 1.61733 x10^(-15).
That's one full vibration every 20 million years!
If you grab a chair while somebody is sitting in it, take 10 million years to pull them across the room, then another 10 million years to push them back, that's what it would feel like.

Heck, it would take over 10 millions years of listening just to identify what note you are actually listening to! If the frequency was off by just 3% then you could say "Hey, that's not B-flat! That's a A!" That would mean waiting 20.6 million years instead of 20 million for a full vibration. The extra 600,000 years makes it a half note lower.


FOR ADDED MEASURE
The note from this black hole mixes with the notes of galaxies, quarks, and other blacks holes to form chords, beats and measures all around us. The cosmic song that's produced snaps it's finger and taps it's foot about once every billion years. Cool baby, cool, yeah. It's happenin' big time!
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BoGoWo
 
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Reply Thu 11 Sep, 2003 08:40 pm
Gives new meaning to the term "clasical" music, wouldn't you say?

Looks like we've had about 75 cycles of this note, since the initial 'opening'
"THUMP"!
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Letty
 
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Reply Fri 12 Sep, 2003 07:23 am
I heard it, Code and Bo. Smile It was a combination of Chopin, Bach, Aaron Copeland, Ravi Shankar, Korsakov,...................................................

and, of course, those of us here who don't have a tin ear. Laughing

When the black hole plays the blues,
It's regurgitating news
That Nero played while all of Rome was burning.

When the decibel increases,
It a wailing done in pieces
With a syncopated rhythm we're still learning.

(make up your own bridge)

Well, the planet claps its hands
We all crowd around the band
Doesn't "matter" if Ma Nature's ocean's churning
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Letty
 
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Reply Fri 12 Sep, 2003 07:49 am
Here's a rather sad footnote. The man in black, Johnny Cash, died today. Guess he'll be singing "A boy named Sue" in that great black hole in the sky. Crying or Very sad
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