Creationist School to Appeal: No M D in Science Ed

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I think the coordinated, higher strategy of such organizations across the country is to put pressure on state agencies through political influence. Even when politicians don't actively campaign on a religious agenda, they are loathe to offend religious sensibilities. The Dover case taught these jokers they can't win in the Federal courts, and they can't win on the merits of claims about "intelligent design" as science, so they've changed their tack. It's hilarious, pathetic, and a little scary that they'd actually go after this issue based not on "intelligent design," but on literal creationism. Maybe they think they have a good chance for this in Tejas, as opposed to somewhere else. Maybe these boys are just plain goofy.

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edgarblythe wrote:

Bradley said he does not foresee any successful effort to remove the "strengths and weaknesses" requirement from the science standards.

"Evolution is not fact. Evolution is a theory and, as such, cannot be proven," he said. "Students need to be able to jump to their own conclusions."

And this boy is the Vice Chairman? That don't sound so good . . .

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I'll tell you what is " hilarious, pathetic, and a little scary" Set.

It is that 300 million people will work together efficiently when they are all critical thinkers and have the capacity to dicuss the scientific strengths and weaknesses of (any) theory. And that they can all expect "post-secondary success".

Hilarious, pathetic and scary doesn't do justice to such idiocy.

You end up with too many chiefs and not enough Indians as they always say here when some large company gets broken up and sold off.

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And it's even more idiotic when 300 million people think they are critical thinkers when they are not and think they are enjoying post-secondary success when they are not or having to pretend they are to save face.

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Looks good to me.

What's it like being untouched by a noodly appendages?

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Re: Creationist School to Appeal: No M D in Science Ed

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So the viewpoint being discriminated against is a non-scientific viewpoint, and yet the approval they are seeking is for a science degree program.

I guess they are saying that they have the right to teach and approve science credentials even though they don't agree with the science and have no intention of representing science as a functional and effective system to the students.

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Institute CEO Henry Morris III said last spring his school's program includes information about evolution, although he and others affiliated with the school don't accept the proof of evolution offered by mainstream scientists.

"Including information about evolution" while saying, "we don't believe it" doesn't seem to constitute good science education.

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Board members and Higher Education Commissioner Raymund Paredes said they were concerned the degree would not equip graduates to teach science in Texas' public schools.

Yeh, I wonder why.

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Man, Texas is scary. What's worse is the boards running the public school curricula - have any of you heard of the way the english standards were recently pushed through? They have a group take three years to establish recommendations and then wait until the last minute to replace it with their own social conservative version. How last-minute? I believe it was an hour or so before the meeting at which they were to vote on it. Naturally, a majority did vote for it (and had surely been coached).

If that's what happens with the english standards, what do you think is going to happen with the science ones, especially with the various attitudes and controversies coming out of that same department? And the truly scary thing is that textbook publishers cater to California and Texas, so whatever happens in those two states does affect the textbooks flowing into other ones.

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Setanta wrote:

And this boy is the Vice Chairman? That don't sound so good . . .

Yeah, it seems Texas just loves to put idiot creationists in charge of important activities. Bumbling, dishonest ones.

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Shirakawasuna wrote:

Man, Texas is scary. What's worse is the boards running the public school curricula - have any of you heard of the way the english standards were recently pushed through? They have a group take three years to establish recommendations and then wait until the last minute to replace it with their own social conservative version. How last-minute? I believe it was an hour or so before the meeting at which they were to vote on it. Naturally, a majority did vote for it (and had surely been coached).

Hey, the bible was translated into English, so that should make it approved reading in any english class, right? And if they don't allow it, then that's "Contextual Discrimination".

Maybe the creationists are going about this all wrong. Instead of trying to sneak religion into science class, maybe it's easier just to sneak it into English class under the guise of "containing english words". Instead of the Dick and Jane reader, we can have the Jesus and Mary reader.

I should work for the ICR. They would love me.

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From: edgarblythe

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Most frightening is the fact that . . .

"'Texas is clearly one of the most dominant states in setting textbook adoption standard', according to Stephen Driesler, executive director of the American Association of Publisher's school division. "

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Which means that as Texas goes so goes most of the text books in the country. If creationism (ID) gets into these books it will very likely find its way into the majority of public school systems.

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Hello, Doc. Welcome to a2k.

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No matter how the appeal proceeds,or no matter how TExas "retools its curricula" the ultimate stand for this has got to be the State and then Fed Supreme court.
Its based upon an interpretation of a "Deity driven" model. This fact, either now or twenty years from now, will have the decision drug throught the higher appeal process until the Constitution prevails.

I believe that, with a stare decisis that heavily supports a clean interpretation of the "free expression and establishment clauses" even the most conservative members of the court can only find against the conferral of MS (ed) degrees.

Remember, it was Texass that denied the MS in the first place.

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