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The Metric System vs. The Imperial System. Change?

 
 
hamburger
 
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Reply Fri 17 Aug, 2007 01:24 pm
this should be a fairly authoritive source :

Quote:
litre (l)

Encyclopædia Britannica Article

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also spelled liter unit of volume in the metric system, equal to one cubic decimetre (0.001 cubic metre). From 1901 to 1964 the litre was defined as the volume of one kilogram of pure water at 4 °C (39.2 °F) and standard atmospheric pressure; in 1964 the original, present value was reinstated. One litre is equivalent to approximately 1.0567 U.S. quart.


since in german it's also LITER , i'll go with that :wink:
(if i used LITRE in canada , people would think i'm coming from quebec Shocked Laughing )
hbg
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Francis
 
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Reply Fri 17 Aug, 2007 01:35 pm
Yeah, Americans should stop litering
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Miller
 
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Reply Thu 23 Aug, 2007 12:40 pm
Quote:
Liter: A metric measure of capacity that, by definition, is equal to the volume of a kilogram of water at 4 degrees centigrade and at standard atmospheric pressure of 760 millimeters of mercury.


Why wasn't the specific gravity of the water mentioned?
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Thu 23 Aug, 2007 12:43 pm
Miller wrote:

Why wasn't the specific gravity of the water mentioned?


Like in the definition of "quart", you mean?
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hamburger
 
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Reply Thu 23 Aug, 2007 07:12 pm
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SUBJECT : Specific gravity 7-12

The term specific gravity is used to describe the weight or density of a liquid compared to an equal volume of fresh water at 4°C (39° F). If the liquid you are comparing will float on this water it has a specific gravity of less than one (1). If it sinks into the fresh water the specific gravity is more than one. As you have already guessed fresh water at 4°C (39° F) has been assigned a value of one (1).

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hingehead
 
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Reply Tue 30 Jul, 2024 08:36 pm
https://i.pinimg.com/564x/1b/d6/b4/1bd6b4c767dba444ee6d36094b99e1b6.jpg
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hightor
 
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Reply Wed 31 Jul, 2024 05:03 am
So when is metric musical notation going to come out? Those half, quarter, and eighth notes have got to go.
hingehead
 
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Reply Wed 31 Jul, 2024 05:08 pm
@hightor,
I'm not even advocating for metric time. But I do love the neatness of SI standards.
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hightor
 
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Reply Thu 1 Aug, 2024 03:13 am
@Miller,
"A pint's a pound the world around."
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hingehead
 
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Reply Fri 16 Aug, 2024 01:11 am
@hightor,
I thought about this and it completely misses the time signatures as well - I just don't think it's possible to metricate 3/4, 4/4, 7/8 and 8/12 into a unified system - music just doesn't work like that.
hightor
 
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Reply Fri 16 Aug, 2024 06:52 am
@hingehead,
(I penned this letter about metrication in 1994. I've always considered the conversion between Imperial and metric the only problem with keeping the traditional system, also known as "customary measurement".)

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The use of the term "metric ton" is much handier than having to say "1,000 kilograms or 2,200 pounds and points to a solution to the debate over metrication (Working Waterfront, June and August, 1994.) Assume worldwide use of the metric system. Take a 30 cm long ruler and call it the "metric foot;" divide it into 12 "metric inches" each equal to 2.5 cm. Define the "metric pound" as one half of a kilogram. The "metric gallon" equal four liters. A pint will still be a pound the world 'round.

Under this "custometric" system conversions in linear measure would become simple functions of 2.5 or 0.4, depending on whether we were going from inch to meter or vice versa. We would still use terms like ounce, we could still talk meaningfully of going the extra mile. Mechanics and scientists would use metric measurements as they do now; builders would be on a metric standard but could still enjoy the convenience of foot measurements and fractional increment, which many of us find easy to use; household units would be on a metric standard but would still be broken down as cups of flour and pounds of butter. "Custometric" measurement preserves our nominal units while making conversions to the pure metric system simple, accurate and seldom necessary.
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 16 Aug, 2024 07:08 am
@hightor,
That is more or less exactly what was done in France about 230 years ago and in Germany shortly later.
hightor
 
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Reply Fri 16 Aug, 2024 07:10 am
@Walter Hinteler,
Interesting – I didn't know that!
hingehead
 
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Reply Fri 16 Aug, 2024 07:27 am
@hightor,
But 1000 kilograms is literally a Tonne (in English anyway) https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/tonne - the rest of your piece is just about making it easier for the people who transition and just confuses the generations after metrification and does nothing for international standards. I learnt both systems and 50 years on I have no trouble telling you I'm 183cm tall, weigh 87kg and the temperature is a mild 26 degrees celsius. People born into it will only be confused by people who weren't and can't convert. All too soon everyone alive is born into it.
hingehead
 
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Reply Fri 16 Aug, 2024 07:29 am
@hightor,
Also, and I hate to break this to you, a pint doesn't cost a pound anywhere

https://www.finder.com/uk/banking/international-pint-price-map
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 16 Aug, 2024 07:44 am
@hightor,
The decimalisation of the respective local, regional or introduction of a round measure - e.g. 30 cm feet - virtually paved the way for metrication in the various German states.
However, it was ‘ordered’ by decree in large parts of Germany during the French occupation before 1815 (for example in the Palatinate, where it remained even after Napoleon's defeat).

Generally in Germany, however, only in 1872 (Act of 17 August 1868 for the North German Confederation, 29 April 1869 for the southern German states).
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 16 Aug, 2024 07:53 am
@hingehead,
We still buy for instance 'half a pound of butter' and not 250 grams.

On the other side, as a naval navigator I used to say, 'Russian warship two points off the starboard bow'. (And nautical miles are different to US and imperial miles.)
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hightor
 
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Reply Fri 16 Aug, 2024 08:19 am
@hingehead,
Quote:
Also, and I hate to break this to you, a pint doesn't cost a pound anywhere

I hate to break this to you, but a pint of water weighs very close to one pound. That's what the phrase refers to.
hightor
 
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Reply Fri 16 Aug, 2024 08:25 am
@hingehead,
Yeah, I get your point. It's more about the convenience of measurements based on a human scale applied to everyday experience. I'm not advocating its use, I'm just showing how metric standards could be translated into customary* units.

By the way, the term "metric ton" is actually used in the USA to distinguish 1000 kg from 2000 lbs.

*customary for the outliers who live in the primitive USA
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Fri 16 Aug, 2024 08:27 am
@hightor,
Which might be confusing to people outside the USA. (The imperial pint [≈ 568 mL] is used in the United Kingdom and Ireland and to a limited extent in Commonwealth nations. In the United States, a liquid pint [≈ 473 mL].)

And your pound is 0.45359237 kilograms - in Germany, the pound is still understood today as 500 grams according to the definition of the former Customs Union of 1858.
 

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