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littlek
 
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Reply Fri 29 Aug, 2003 07:04 am
Sumac, try wiritng down a list of issues or items that need to be addressed right before you go to bed. I find that my anxiety comes from thinking I'll forget something when I have too much on my mind.

And, also, don't give up the idea that food can help calm your mind.
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sumac
 
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Reply Fri 29 Aug, 2003 07:17 am
Good idea. But what about the alpha waves? While in grad school and a volunteer subject for brain waves, I was known as the 'Alpha Queen", which should be soothing. But isn't at times.
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wenchilina
 
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Reply Fri 29 Aug, 2003 08:34 am
cavfancier wrote:
Slow, deep breathing does indeed accompany this practice....lie on your back, and don't forget to turn your palms to the sky...that is supposed to release relaxing Beta waves.


Listen to the wench!
Magnesium is the main ion in the body responsible for muscle relaxation so use it in conjunction with breathing exercises.

Also 5htp and some bananas(the ones that are slightly browned)
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Fri 29 Aug, 2003 08:39 am
Sounds good to me...whatever helps Wink
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sumac
 
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Reply Fri 29 Aug, 2003 08:45 am
I had heard about bananas, but thought that was for poteassium replenishment?
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sozobe
 
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Reply Fri 29 Aug, 2003 01:22 pm
OK, here's what I was talking about:

http://www.askdrsears.com/html/4/t042400.asp

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What you eat affects how you sleep. One of the keys to a restful night's sleep is to get your brain calmed rather than revved up. Some foods contribute to restful sleep; other foods keep you awake. We call them sleepers and wakers. Sleepers are tryptophan-containing foods, because tryptophan is the amino acid that the body uses to make serotonin, the neurotransmitter that slows down nerve traffic so your brain isn't so busy. Wakers are foods that stimulate neurochemicals that perk up the brain.

Tryptophan is a precursor of the sleep-inducing substances serotonin and melatonin. This means tryptophan is the raw material that the brain uses to build these relaxing neurotransmitters. Making more tryptophan available, either by eating foods that contain this substance or by seeing to it that more tryptophan gets to the brain, will help to make you sleepy. On the other hand, nutrients that make tryptophan less available can disturb sleep.

Eating carbohydrates with tryptophan-containing foods makes this calming amino acid more available to the brain. A high carbohydrate meal stimulates the release of insulin, which helps clear from the bloodstream those amino acids that compete with tryptophan, allowing more of this natural sleep-inducing amino acid to enter the brain and manufacture sleep- inducing substances, such as serotonin and melatonin. Eating a high-protein meal without accompanying carbohydrates may keep you awake, since protein-rich foods also contain the amino acid, tyrosine, which perks up the brain.

To understand how tryptophan and carbohydrates work together to relax you, picture the various amino acids from protein foods as passengers on a bus. A busload containing tryptophan and tyrosine arrives at the brain cells. If more tyrosine "passengers" get off the bus and enter the brain cells, neuroactivity will rev up. If more tryptophan amino acids get off the bus, the brain will calm down. Along comes some insulin which has been stalking carbohydrates in the bloodstream. Insulin keeps the tyrosine amino acids on the bus, allowing the brain-calming tryptophan effect to be higher than the effect of the brain-revving tyrosine.

You can take advantage of this biochemical quirk by choosing protein or carbohydrate-rich meals, depending on whether you want to perk up or slow down your brain. For students and working adults, high protein, medium-carbohydrate meals are best eaten for breakfast and lunch. For dinner and bedtime snacks, eat a meal or snack that is high in complex carbohydrates, with a small amount of protein that contains just enough tryptophan to relax the brain. An all- carbohydrate snack, especially one high in junk sugars, is less likely to help you sleep. You'll miss out on the sleep-inducing effects of tryptophan, and you may set off the roller-coaster effect of plummeting blood sugar followed by the release of stress hormones that will keep you awake. The best bedtime snack is one that has both complex carbohydrates and protein, and perhaps some calcium. Calcium helps the brain use the tryptophan to manufacture melatonin. This explains why dairy products, which contain both tryptophan and calcium, are one of the top sleep-inducing foods.


(Specific food pointers after this part if you follow the link.)

Not suggesting that it cures all ills, but I've seen adjustments to diet work for both sozlet and E.G.
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Fri 29 Aug, 2003 01:30 pm
Oh yeah....I am envisioning a turkey dinner tonight....tons of tryptophan...some turkey, and a few green beans....no blood-sugar spiking fake-ass empty carbs. Can't do the milk thing, sadly....not lactose intolerant, just can't stand the taste.
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cjhsa
 
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Reply Fri 29 Aug, 2003 01:43 pm
http://www.yarayara.com/tv/swan1.gif
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sumac
 
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Reply Fri 29 Aug, 2003 01:54 pm
Good sozobe. I will definitely give it a try, and print it out so I will remember it.
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Fri 29 Aug, 2003 02:21 pm
cjhsa....I'm pissing myself, nearly....50% more meat, and mostly white Laughing I was envisioning something more homey, but that's a classic.
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Fri 29 Aug, 2003 02:25 pm
Is a slow-roasted turkey just dim-witted, or simply reluctant to jump in the oven? "Slow-Roasted" is on everything now. Man....Swanson Hungry Man dinners bring back serious memories....a new thread comes to mind.
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wenchilina
 
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Reply Fri 29 Aug, 2003 05:47 pm
sumac wrote:
I had heard about bananas, but thought that was for poteassium replenishment?


Bananas = tryptophan----->5-HTP----->serotonin----->melatonin

Hence my comments of bananas + 5htp or better yet just a magnesium supplement. Seeing as melatonin control the circadian rhythms ideally the direct route is far more efficient.
DO NOT, however, pop it willy nilly. Circadian rhythms are very important, and you don't want them all wacked out because you feel like taking melatonin at 4am.
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Rae
 
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Reply Fri 29 Aug, 2003 05:53 pm
I think I'll just continue to show up here at all hours and type.....things have suddenly gotten too technical for me! Shocked
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Fri 29 Aug, 2003 07:03 pm
hmmmmm - ok so - carbs and tryptophan(sp?) before bedtime. bananas.

ok - so cereal with a sliced banana and milk before bed? or a piece of banana bread with milk (choco milk for me as it's easier to digest)

when i used to have trouble sleeping, i used to grab the Consumers Distributing catalogue. Too bad they went out of business. After studiously reading 7 or 8 pages of details about steam irons, I'd always fall asleep.
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sumac
 
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Reply Sat 30 Aug, 2003 06:35 am
Yawn....
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Rae
 
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Reply Sat 30 Aug, 2003 07:24 am
I don't believe it! I was in bed by 11:30 last night and didn't wake up until about an hour ago! Yippee!!!!!
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cavfancier
 
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Reply Sat 30 Aug, 2003 07:30 am
Had about 6 1/2 hours before I had to feed the dog, but I had to watch Oz....catching up on the last season. Going to a BBQ today and bringing lots of strong beer. I expect I will sleep well, but the Coronation St. omnibus starts at 8 AM tomorrow.....bah, don't mind getting up for TV Laughing
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sozobe
 
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Reply Sat 30 Aug, 2003 07:38 am
Here's the rest of it (doesn't mention bananas):

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SNOOZE FOODS
These are foods high in the sleep-inducing amino acid tryptophan:

Dairy products: cottage cheese, cheese, milk
Soy products: soy milk, tofu, soybean nuts
Seafood
Meats
Poultry
Whole grains
Beans
Rice
Hummus
Lentils
Hazelnuts, Peanuts
Eggs
Sesame seeds, sunflower seeds

BEST BEDTIME SNACKS
Foods that are high in carbohydrates and calcium, and medium-to-low in protein also make ideal sleep-inducing bedtime snacks. Some examples:

apple pie and ice cream (my favorite)
whole-grain cereal with milk
hazelnuts and tofu
oatmeal and raisin cookies, and a glass of milk
peanut butter sandwich, ground sesame seeds (It takes around one hour for the tryptophan in the foods to reach the brain, so don't wait until right before bedtime to have your snack.)

BEST DINNERS FOR SLEEP
Meals that are high in carbohydrates and low-to-medium in protein will help you relax in the evening and set you up for a good night's sleep. Try the following "dinners for sleep":

pasta with parmesan cheese
scrambled eggs and cheese
tofu stirfry
hummus with whole wheat pita bread
seafood, pasta, and cottage cheese
meats and poultry with veggies
tuna salad sandwich
chili with beans, not spicy
sesame seeds (rich in tryptophan) sprinkled on salad with tuna chunks, and whole wheat crackers

Lighter meals are more likely to give you a restful night's sleep. High-fat meals and large servings prolong the work your digestive system needs to do, and all the gas production and rumblings may keep you awake. Some people find that highly-seasoned foods (e.g., hot peppers and garlic) interfere with sleep, especially if you suffer from heartburn. (See gastroesophageal reflux). Going to bed with a full stomach does not, for most people, promote a restful night's sleep. While you may fall asleep faster, all the intestinal work required to digest a big meal is likely to cause frequent waking and a poorer quality of sleep. Eat your evening meal early.

Heed the sleep wisdom: "Don't dine after nine."


Glad you got a good night's sleep, Rae!
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wenchilina
 
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Reply Sat 30 Aug, 2003 08:40 am
sozobe wrote:
Here's the rest of it (doesn't mention bananas)


one list doesn't mention bananas. Rolling Eyes

http://www.nutritionfoundationofindia.org/ARCHIVES/Jan2003b.htm

"... Tryptophan-rich foods include banana, pineapple, plum, nuts, milk, cheese, etc..."

http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/morton/banana.html

"...Food Value Per 100 g of Edible Portion*... Tryptophan 17-19mg "
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sozobe
 
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Reply Sat 30 Aug, 2003 08:42 am
Oh, I wasn't saying "Therefore bananas don't contain tryptophan". Just a parenthetical. Thanks for the links.
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