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Is mathematics connected with philosophy?

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Is mathematics connected with philosophy?

Let us see beauty of maths!

1 x 8 + 1 = 9
12 x 8 + 2 = 98
123 x 8 + 3 = 987
1234 x 8 + 4 = 9876
12345 x 8 + 5 = 98765
123456 x 8 + 6 = 987654
1234567 x 8 + 7 = 9876543
12345678 x 8 + 8 = 98765432
123456789 x 8 + 9 = 987654321

1 x 9 + 2 = 11
12 x 9 + 3 = 111
123 x 9 + 4 = 1111
1234 x 9 + 5 = 11111
12345 x 9 + 6 = 111111
123456 x 9 + 7 = 1111111
1234567 x 9 + 8 = 11111111
12345678 x 9 + 9 = 111111111
123456789 x 9 +10= 1111111111

9 x 9 + 7 = 88
98 x 9 + 6 = 888
987 x 9 + 5 = 8888
9876 x 9 + 4 = 88888
98765 x 9 + 3 = 888888
987654 x 9 + 2 = 8888888
9876543 x 9 + 1 = 88888888
98765432 x 9 + 0 = 888888888

Have a look at this symmetry:

1 x 1 = 1
11 x 11 = 121
111 x 111 = 12321
1111 x 1111 = 1234321
11111 x 11111 = 123454321
111111 x 111111 = 12345654321
1111111 x 1111111 = 1234567654321
11111111 x 11111111 = 123456787654321
111111111 x 111111111=12345678987654321

What does it mean to give MORE than 100%?
Ever wondered about those people who said that they are giving more than 100%?

Let us represent the English alphabets by numbers -
A=1, B=2, C=3, and so on.

If:

H-A-R-D-W-O-R-K; 8+1+18+4+23+15+18+11 = 98%

And:

K-N-O-W-L-E-D-G-E; 11+14+15+23+12+5+4+7+5 = 96%

But:

A-T-T-I-T-U-D-E; 1+20+20+9+20+21+4+5 = 100%

Then, look how far the love of God can take you:

L-O-V-E-O-F-G-O-D; 12+15+22+5+15+6+7+15+4 = 101%

While Hard Work and Knowledge will get you close, and Attitude will get you there, it is the Love of God that will take you beyond!

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VSPrasad, are you aged about 9?

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There are clearly some overlaps between mathematics and some forms of philosophical work. But the two disciplines are not congruent. Nietszche, one of the most influential philosophers for our age, was mathematically illiterate.

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VSPrasad wrote:

L-O-V-E-O-F-G-O-D; 12+15+22+5+15+6+7+15+4 = 101%

Why stop at 101%? L-O-V-E-O-F-G-O-L-D equals a whopping 113%.

L-O-V-E-O-F-G-O-N-E-W-I-T-H-T-H-E-W-I-N-D gets you all the way to 251%.

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JLNobody wrote:

There are clearly some overlaps between mathematics and some forms of philosophical work. But the two disciplines are not congruent. Nietszche, one of the most influential philosophers for our age, was mathematically illiterate.

But Bertrand Russell was both.

Rap

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In a word, NO.

Math is a pretty pure science. Its basis is 1+1=2. There is very little philosophy involved.

Some philosophical things can be mathematically endorsed (and vice versa) but letters and language evolved on an ENTIRELY different path. To randomly assign numbers to letters is something best left to Baptist Evangelists.

Try those words in other languages... or assign numbers to Sanskrit or Hieroglyphics. Their values change radically. To say that math and philosophy are linked because the English language and some random assumptions seem to have value is pretty ethnocentric, not to mention very UNphilosophical thinking.

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The closest common set between math and philosophy might be the area of symbolic logic.

The best quick and easy discussion of this subject that I've seen is on the Drexel University site Ask Dr Math. This particular form of philosophy/math has application well beyond the scope of either subject as the Boolean algebra used in the keyboards in which we both communicate (logic gates) and the goal of legal justice.

Oh and in the strictest definition math is not a science as it has no connection with the physical. It is usually considered in many academic institutions an art. The utility of math comes from application, consequently science uses math to model the physical.

Rap

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raprap wrote:

Oh and in the strictest definition math is not a science as it has no connection with the physical.

Whose "strictest" definition? Carl Friedrich Gauss, a person for whose achievements I have the very greatest respect, said that mathematics was the queen of sciences. The Latin and German words Scientiarum and Wissenschaft respectively mean "(field of) knowledge. Indeed, this is also the original meaning in English, and there is no doubt that mathematics is in this sense a science. The specialization restricting the meaning to natural science is of later date. If one considers science to be strictly about the physical world, then, yes, mathematics, or at least pure mathematics, is not a science.

You may take the position that mathematics is not experimentally falsifiable, and thus not a science according to the definition of Karl Popper. However, in the 1930s important work in mathematical logic showed that mathematics cannot be reduced to logic, and Karl Popper concluded that "most mathematical theories are, like those of physics and biology, hypothetico-deductive: pure mathematics therefore turns out to be much closer to the natural sciences whose hypotheses are conjectures, than it seemed even recently."

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In my humble opinion Russell, while I liked his politics, was a relatively narrow-minded philosopher and broad-minded mathematician. Like the amphibian he could neither walk nor swim as well as he might have if he specialized.

And a not so humble point: I have never been able to get past the obvious "fact" that "1+1" is just another way of saying "2". No new knowledge there.

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JLNobody wrote:

In my humble opinion Russell, while I liked his politics, was a relatively narrow-minded philosopher and broad-minded mathematician. Like the amphibian he could neither walk nor swim as well as he might have if he specialized.

And a not so humble point: I have never been able to get past the obvious "fact" that "1+1" is just another way of saying "2". No new knowledge there.

In a narrow sense 1+1 is two, but there are other algebras where it doesn't. Math is about generalizations, and ordinary mathematics tends to be special.

Granted, Russel's gift was more as a popular writer. Now if you consider Rene Descartes--there was a man who left his mark in both fields.

As for Popper, one might consider that he was living in the time where the logic of Godel created a whole new discipline. After all prior to Godel, logic was inductive, deductive, or contradictive.

Rap

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Thanks, rap. Stuff off the top of my head is rarely defensible.

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raprap wrote:

Granted, Russel's gift was more as a popular writer. Now if you consider Rene Descartes--there was a man who left his mark in both fields.

Granted, Russell (two 's's, two 'l's) wrote plenty of popular books, but I hardly think that the one he and Whitehead collaborated on falls into that category.

He was an inveterate womaniser, despite suffering (I once read) from chronic pyrrhoea. Or maybe it was his conquests who did the suffering?

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My gosh contrex- how did you get so smart!

I know some philosophers use maths in their work- I know it's a bit off the point. Like Michaelstadter, I think.

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Quincy wrote:

My gosh contrex- how did you get so smart!

I'm not. I'm just opinionated. I presume you weren't being sarcastic? If you were, however, are you suggesting I am wrong?

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No, that was a genuine compliment Sad

Sad

You do seem to know much on many topics.

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Music and mathematics are related ttp://www.math.niu.edu/~rusin/uses-math/music/

Pythagoras certainly believed in the kinship between mathematics and philosophy http://www.thebigview.com/greeks/pythagoras.html

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Oswald Spengler's Meaning of Numbers is interesting.

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Quincy wrote:

No, that was a genuine compliment
You do seem to know much on many topics.

maybe because I am old?

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Modern math is most certainly not based on 1+1=2. Much of modern math as it has been taught to me has its foundations in Zermelo-Fraenkel set theory, and logic, which has been proven to be consistent.
The ideas and methods of set theory and logic, although not explicitly philosophical in their own right, can give us a basis for understanding philosophy.

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Pythagoras.......Euclid.....

I think the hard sciences and math are trying to break away from philosophy. Don't really know why. Probably some ego thing.

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