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Leaka
 
Reply Tue 1 Jan, 2008 05:18 pm
Sorry that I'm asking a lot of questions.

What would the operation be for this problem?

Suppose that 6 machines can complete a given task in 2 days. If there are 4 machines, how many days would it take them to finish the same task?
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Chumly
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jan, 2008 05:28 pm
As a percent how many fewer machines does 4 represent?
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Leaka
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jan, 2008 05:43 pm
What?

Now you have just confused me....
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Chumly
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jan, 2008 05:48 pm
What is 4 compared to 6?
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Chumly
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jan, 2008 05:51 pm
How many hours it takes for each machine is an unneeded step.
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Leaka
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jan, 2008 05:52 pm
I still don't understand.

I'm really really really sorry.
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spendius
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jan, 2008 05:55 pm
Contrition is good for the soul.

You have won the $100 and do not need to pass "Go".
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Chumly
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jan, 2008 05:57 pm
What don't you understand?
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Leaka
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jan, 2008 05:59 pm
You gave me more questions.

Couldn't you have just given the operation on what I am suppose to do?

Like:

X+y= ???

Or something.

I don't understand word problems enough as it is.
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Chumly
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jan, 2008 06:00 pm
What good would that do?
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JPB
 
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Reply Tue 1 Jan, 2008 07:33 pm
If there were 3 machines it would take 4 days (half as many machines = twice as much time). So if there were 4 machines you know it's going to be more than 2 days and less than 4 days, right?

x : y
6 = 2
5 = ?
4 = ??
3 = 4

x1/x2 = y1*y2

6/3=2; 2*2=4
6/4=1.5; 2*1.5=
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jan, 2008 01:26 am
I mentioned it on another thread already - I still think, understanding the rule of three would be some help (like it was for others since more than 200 years).
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spendius
 
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Reply Wed 2 Jan, 2008 06:38 pm
Chum wrote-

Quote:
What good would that do?


You never know Chum with Leaka asking the questions.
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Chumly
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 02:25 am
He needs to understand the basic interrelations of ratios, otherwise that dog won't hunt.
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Miller
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 01:34 pm
Leaka wrote:
You gave me more questions.

Couldn't you have just given the operation on what I am suppose to do?

Like:

X+y= ???

Or something.

I don't understand word problems enough as it is.


You need to speak to a MATH teacher and get your fundamentals sorted out.
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Miller
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 01:37 pm
You decrease your machine number from 6 to 4:

6/4= 1.5

If you decrease the number of your machines, you'll have to work each machine for a longer time.

How long a time?

1.5 X 2 (days) = 3 days with 4 machines.
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niamh
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 02:54 pm
bit obvios!
2 divided by 3 times two.
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Miller
 
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Reply Thu 3 Jan, 2008 03:44 pm
That's not teaching. Rolling Eyes
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jammyd360
 
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Reply Fri 4 Jan, 2008 06:37 pm
you seem to be fairly good at algebra so hopefully this will help

the first statement 'Suppose that 6 machines can complete a given task in 2 days' can be writen as a equation

z repressent the percentage of the task that is completed by one machine in one day

2 x 6z = 100 (2 is there because this is how long it takes the machines)

so if the formula is rearranged

2 x 6z = 100
6z = 100 ÷ 2
6z = 50
z = 50 ÷ 6
z = 8.333

this shows each machine completes roughly 8% of the task in one day

a new formula can be made from the question 'If there are 4 machines, how many days would it take them to finish the same task?'

d repressents the number of days it takes

d x 4z = 100

at first this looks problematic. however we already know that z is 8.3

d x (4 x 8.333) = 100

d x 33.333 = 100

now by rearranging the equation we can get d (the number of days it takes)

d = 100 ÷ 33.333
d = 3

this shows that it takes 3 days for 4 machines to complete the task


sorry if this isnt helpful, but im not a teacher. u should really just ask ur school teacher for a little help. im sure they wouldnt mind, they would be glad that someone is actually interested in their class
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Miller
 
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Reply Sat 5 Jan, 2008 10:47 pm
The above is an excellent explanation. However, it's not too simple for a young student who's having problems with math.

The best way to teach math is to make it fun and easy.
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