Waterboarding

Presidential candidate John McCain, who was a prisoner of war in Vietnam, said Sunday, "Anyone who says they don't know if waterboarding is torture or not has no experience in the conduct of warfare and national security. This is a fundamental about America. It isn't about an interrogation technique. It isn't about whether someone is really harmed or not. It's about what kind of nation we are. We are a nation that takes the high moral ground. If we engage in a practice that was invented in the Spanish Inquisition, which was used by Pol Pot in Cambodia in that great genocide, is now being used on Buddhist monks in Burma ... how do we keep the moral high ground in the world?"

"Anyone who knows what waterboarding is could not be unsure. It is a horrible torture technique used by Pol Pot and being used on Buddhist monks as we speak," said McCain after a campaign stop at Dordt College here.

"People who have worn the uniform and had the experience know that this is a terrible and odious practice and should never be condoned in the U.S. We are a better nation than that."

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A majority of Americans consider waterboarding a form of torture, but some of those say it's OK for the U.S. government to use the technique, according to a poll released Tuesday.

Michael Mukasey said waterboarding is repugnant, but he stopped short of saying it was torture.

Asked whether they think waterboarding is a form of torture, more than two-thirds of respondents, or 69 percent, said yes; 29 percent said no.

Interesting, a woodcut depicting something that is not "water boarding", accompanied by text that does not describe water boarding using examples of torture that is not water boarding.

The practice involves strapping the person being interrogated on to a board as pints of water are forced into his lungs through a cloth covering his face while the victim's mouth is forced open. Its effect, according to Mr Nance, is a process of slow-motion suffocation.

Typically, a victim goes into hysterics on the board as water fills his lungs. "How much the victim is to drown," Mr Nance wrote in an article for the Small Wars Journal, "depends on the desired result and the obstinacy of the subject.

"A team doctor watches the quantity of water that is ingested and for the physiological signs which show when the drowning effect goes from painful psychological experience to horrific, suffocating punishment, to the final death spiral. For the uninitiated, it is horrifying to watch."

This administration as well as the past 2 Administrations as well as the current and former Congress should be arrested and charged with treason for ignoring the problems that led us into this current situation.

Section 3 - Treason
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

Water boarding does not involve "pints of water are forced into his lungs", it involves disorientation (head lower then chest), simulated drowning, pouring copious amounts of water over a rag over the mouth. Considering a person can down if even a cup of water is introduced into the lungs should be enough to tell you Nance is full of **** and is exaggerating for effect. Water boarding is a psychological device meant to scare and bewilder the person, not kill them.

"Fills up his lungs", please. What an idiot.

mysteryman, the USSC ruled that Bushie violated American and international law. Violations of law are crimes and in this case war crimes.

McGentrix wrote:

Water boarding does not involve "pints of water are forced into his lungs", it involves disorientation (head lower then chest), simulated drowning, pouring copious amounts of water over a rag over the mouth. Considering a person can down if even a cup of water is introduced into the lungs should be enough to tell you Nance is full of **** and is exaggerating for effect. Water boarding is a psychological device meant to scare and bewilder the person, not kill them.

"Fills up his lungs", please. What an idiot.

"gigo"

Cycloptichorn

of course that's merely MY opinion...

Cycloptichorn wrote:

McGentrix wrote:

Water boarding does not involve "pints of water are forced into his lungs", it involves disorientation (head lower then chest), simulated drowning, pouring copious amounts of water over a rag over the mouth. Considering a person can down if even a cup of water is introduced into the lungs should be enough to tell you Nance is full of **** and is exaggerating for effect. Water boarding is a psychological device meant to scare and bewilder the person, not kill them.

"Fills up his lungs", please. What an idiot.

"gigo"

Cycloptichorn

Go blow it out your ass, that seems to be something you are expert at. Especially on this topic. You have no idea what you are talking about beyond the garbage spoon fed you.

Section 3 - Treason
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

Water boarding does not involve "pints of water are forced into his lungs", it involves disorientation (head lower then chest), simulated drowning, pouring copious amounts of water over a rag over the mouth.

MODERATOR: Let's move on to Phase 3. What does that involve?


STEVE HARRIGAN: Phase 3 they took out some plastic wrap and just seeing him pull out that wrap there I was like 'I'm not gonna last long.' I mean, it's like a 'Friday the 13th' movie. They wrap that around your face and they poke a little hole right over your mouth and start pouring water in your mouth so you get the sensation of drowning and you can't really see that clearly 'cause water is going over your face and it's all blurry and you start to gag.

Now you can actually asphyxiate so they were very careful. They had a medic on site. But I didn't last long at all... They say the average is 14 seconds but... I did, I didn't make... you know...


MODERATOR: How far did you get?


STEVE HARRIGAN: Just a few seconds really.


MODERATOR: You know what I find so interesting listening to you describe this, I can still kind of hear what sounds to me like fear in your voice, uh, describing it. Is that fair?


STEVE HARRIGAN: It's a scary day's work and you're real happy when it's over and you're on the train going home.


MODERATOR: But you know, the big difference is that you know that Major Bob is not gonna hurt you...

STEVE HARRIGAN: Right.

MODERATOR: ...and you know that this is really just an experience or an experiment for you. How much more intense do you think it is when that just isn't the case?


STEVE HARRIGAN: You know, it does get intense, even when you're training, because you loose... You know how people panic when you're trying to rescue a drowner, even if you're trying to help them? When you loose the ability to breathe you can panic. Of course it does get a lot worse out in the field, I'm sure.


MODERATOR: Uh... do you believe that this technique amounts to torture? You've experienced it...


STEVE HARRIGAN: I... I can't see how you could call it anything else. I mean, it's tortuous. It's... you're terrified and you can't breathe and you panic.

McGentrix wrote:

Cycloptichorn wrote:

McGentrix wrote:

Water boarding does not involve "pints of water are forced into his lungs", it involves disorientation (head lower then chest), simulated drowning, pouring copious amounts of water over a rag over the mouth. Considering a person can down if even a cup of water is introduced into the lungs should be enough to tell you Nance is full of **** and is exaggerating for effect. Water boarding is a psychological device meant to scare and bewilder the person, not kill them.

"Fills up his lungs", please. What an idiot.

"gigo"

Cycloptichorn

Go blow it out your ass, that seems to be something you are expert at. Especially on this topic. You have no idea what you are talking about beyond the garbage spoon fed you.

Oh, and you derive your information on this topic from where, exactly?

Mmm hmm.

I notice that you didn't mention your recent embarrassment. Still claiming that you read the article, you incredible fraud?

Cycloptichorn