candidone1
 
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Reply Mon 10 Mar, 2008 12:07 pm
Diest TKO wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
Quote:
Relavance? Doesn't the answer to that question speak directly to the executive branch's decisions, and not Obama's?

The only answer can be that he fulfilled his duty and others may chose to or not.


Actually, it is relevant.
If Obama cant get enough support from others in the legislative branch to get his bills out of committee, or cant muster enough votes to get his bills passed, that says much about his ability to make deals and to work with the other side.
In other words, compromise.


Ah, I see the question. My apologies. Beyond the few listed above from his first year in the senate, I'd have to look more into it.

What do you concider a high number of laws to be passed in a year? What number demonstrates the comprimise you are looking for?

T
K
O



Obama sponsored 129 bills since Jan 4, 2005, of which 120 (93%) haven't made it out of committee and 1 were successfully enacted.
(or .33 bills enacted per year, )

McCain sponsored 403 bills since Jan 21, 1997, of which 263 (65%) haven't made it out of committee and 12 were successfully enacted
(or 1.09 bills enacted per year)

Clinton sponsored 356 bills since Jan 22, 2001, of which 309 (87%) haven't made it out of committee and 2 were successfully enacted
(or .286 bills enacted per year)

Source

Draw your own conclusions, but I wouldn't say that anyone has anything to be bragging about.
MM's contention that one must have their bills enacted to be deemed successful or to be regarded as an effective senator is but a red herring designed to make Obama look like the impotent senator....unable to compromise, or make deals.
None of the 3 are real stand-outs.
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mysteryman
 
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Reply Mon 10 Mar, 2008 12:10 pm
candidone1 wrote:
Diest TKO wrote:
mysteryman wrote:
Quote:
Relavance? Doesn't the answer to that question speak directly to the executive branch's decisions, and not Obama's?

The only answer can be that he fulfilled his duty and others may chose to or not.


Actually, it is relevant.
If Obama cant get enough support from others in the legislative branch to get his bills out of committee, or cant muster enough votes to get his bills passed, that says much about his ability to make deals and to work with the other side.
In other words, compromise.


Ah, I see the question. My apologies. Beyond the few listed above from his first year in the senate, I'd have to look more into it.

What do you concider a high number of laws to be passed in a year? What number demonstrates the comprimise you are looking for?

T
K
O



Obama sponsored 129 bills since Jan 4, 2005, of which 120 (93%) haven't made it out of committee and 1 were successfully enacted.
(or .33 bills enacted per year, )

McCain sponsored 403 bills since Jan 21, 1997, of which 263 (65%) haven't made it out of committee and 12 were successfully enacted
(or 1.09 bills enacted per year)

Clinton sponsored 356 bills since Jan 22, 2001, of which 309 (87%) haven't made it out of committee and 2 were successfully enacted
(or .286 bills enacted per year)

Source

Draw your own conclusions, but I wouldn't say that anyone has anything to be bragging about.
MM's contention that one must have their bills enacted to be deemed successful or to be regarded as an effective senator is but a red herring designed to make Obama look like the impotent senator....unable to compromise, or make deals.
None of the 3 are real stand-outs.


No, that wasnt my contention at all.
I truly did not know the answer to the question.

But I wonder how much those numbers change if you use the same date for comparison of all 3 Senators, say Jan 4, 2005.
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candidone1
 
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Reply Mon 10 Mar, 2008 12:26 pm
I imagine Hillary's numbers would go down, and McCain's numbers would drop slightly because the majority of his years of service will be cut dramatically.

I was just trying to demonstrate that there is value in looking at the number of bills written, sponsored or co-sponsored because so very few actually get passed....even for an old dog like McCain.
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candidone1
 
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Reply Mon 10 Mar, 2008 12:28 pm
Just a reminder MM, this is what you said:
Quote:
Actually, it is relevant.
If Obama cant get enough support from others in the legislative branch to get his bills out of committee, or cant muster enough votes to get his bills passed, that says much about his ability to make deals and to work with the other side.
In other words, compromise.
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 11 Mar, 2008 08:16 am
Powell's chief of staff, Lawrence B. Wilkerson writes:
Quote:
"The worst horrors of our war have yet to be revealed--but they will be. Secret prisons, renditions, homicides, torture, and innocents swept up in a vast network of detention--all will be revealed. It is the nature of our openness that it be so. We must start now to recognize our crimes and our complicity. We are all guilty, and we must all take action in whatever way we can. Torture and abuse are not American. They are foreign to us and always should be. We need to exorcise them from our souls and make amends."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/blog/2008/03/10/BL2008031001388.html
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candidone1
 
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Reply Tue 11 Mar, 2008 11:30 am
I posted this in another thread, but the documentary "Taxi to the Dark Side" deals specifically with the administrations' penchant for torture and disregard for due process and human life.

I find it difficult that no heads in the administration are rolling yet.
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blatham
 
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Reply Tue 11 Mar, 2008 11:33 am
candidone1 wrote:
I posted this in another thread, but the documentary "Taxi to the Dark Side" deals specifically with the administrations' penchant for torture and disregard for due process and human life.

I find it difficult that no heads in the administration are rolling yet.


Oh, yes. Possibly it is the american disdain for all things french that the guillotine has come to be thought of in negative terms.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Tue 11 Mar, 2008 03:17 pm
Blueflame
May i kiss your feet with all my respects for your views?
Allow me please to air my views about AMERICAN behaviour.
You are human born in Ameica.
I am a critical human.
Let us CHANGE the image.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Thu 20 Mar, 2008 04:36 pm
A country which preach sermons about
decency/democracy/decorum/duty
and
butcher/ torture/rape/ the innocents
without any rational justification
is A HELL
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blueflame1
 
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Reply Thu 20 Mar, 2008 05:06 pm
Rama, for months John McCain preached against waterboarding. In speech after speech he called waterboarding torture. Then when the Senate voted to ban waterboarding McCain voted in favor of waterboarding. What a creep.
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Thu 20 Mar, 2008 05:36 pm
Unfortunately Blueflame
you try to expose the hypocracy like me.
We should not give up our hope to make a real CHANGE
I am with you in this long struggle
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Ramafuchs
 
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Reply Sat 23 Aug, 2008 12:50 pm
@blueflame1,
If torture is a kind of sport USA is the best Gold medal winner. Not one nor two 1000 gold medal
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