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What BOOK are you reading right now?

 
 
dyslexia
 
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Reply Wed 11 Aug, 2010 07:04 pm
@littlek,
well, I would say you can't read very far into this book without disagreeing for he provokes constantly and yet offers alternative technological solutions for our environment difficulties via alterations in our individual and social problem solving techniques. Steward Brand originated the Whole Earth. Catalogue in the 60's.
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 11 Aug, 2010 07:29 pm
@dlowan,
Should I be blushing?
plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 11 Aug, 2010 07:31 pm
@panzade,
georgeob???!!!
panzade
 
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Reply Wed 11 Aug, 2010 07:34 pm
@plainoldme,
Yeah...why????
plainoldme
 
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Reply Wed 11 Aug, 2010 07:35 pm
@panzade,
They (judt and george) seem oddly matched
panzade
 
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Reply Wed 11 Aug, 2010 07:41 pm
@plainoldme,
Not really. The book extols the virtues of the USA in helping rebuild post war Europe. George is gung ho about the US.
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Thomas
 
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Reply Wed 11 Aug, 2010 08:12 pm
@dyslexia,
dyslexia wrote:
actually littleK and molga are the only posters here I think would enjoy "Whole Earth Discpline" besides Thomas who I already mentioned it to.

It's an interesting read. Steward Brand's project is to review environmental policies pragmatically, abolishing all ideologies altogether. (Of course, nobody can do that.) And as Dys mentions, his style makes clear that he enjoys pulling environmentalists' legs. Here are some of the propositions he defends:

  • Cities are good for the environment. (They use resources more efficiently than agricultural dwellings, defuse the population bomb, power technical progress, and have numerous other environmental advantages.)
  • Nuclear power plants are good for the environment, because they operate emission-free,
  • Genetically modified plants are good for the environment,
  • DDT, while not good for the environment strictly speaking, is sometimes good, sometimes bad, and never as bad as Rachel Carson made it look,
  • Global warming isn't really much of a problem. To the extent that it is a problem, humanity could solve it pragmatically by emitting more sulfur into the stratosphere.

I agree with more of Brand's propositions than not. More importantly, I find the book entertaining to read and intelligently reasoned. Even if I didn't agree with much of what he says at all, as I imagine MsOlga would, I would still consider him an answer to John Steward Mill's prayer: "Lord, enlighten thou our enemies. Sharpen their wits, give acuteness to their perceptions, and consecutiveness and clearness to their reasoning powers: we are in danger from their folly, not from their wisdom; their weakness is what fills us with apprehension, not their strength." Although Brand is probably closer to the Republican party than the Democratic party these days, he is not a hack. I definitely found him worth reading.
dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 12 Aug, 2010 05:53 am
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:

Should I be blushing?


Perhaps a fetching hint of pink?
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Thomas
 
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Reply Thu 12 Aug, 2010 08:10 am
@Thomas,
Thomas, over-summarizing Steward Brand, wrote:
  • Global warming isn't really much of a problem. To the extent that it is a problem, humanity could solve it pragmatically by emitting more sulfur into the stratosphere.

Actually, I exaggerated. Brand does support carbon taxes. So he isn't really a Republican on the environment; he just likes to flirt with their ideas.

Littlek, I guess what he means by "whole Earth discipline" is to approach enviornmental matters with the disciplined rigor of science rather than the impulisive romanticism he sees among many political environmentalists. But that's a guess on my part. I don't remember him explaining the title, or using the word "discipline" much, within the book.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Thu 12 Aug, 2010 08:17 am
@Gargamel,
Gargamel wrote:

I recommend Gogol's Dead Souls to anyone interested in a Russian classic that eschews the wretchedness typically associated with Russian authors like Dostoyevsky. It's funny as hell.

Everyone should read Dead Souls at least once. I've read it about three or four times. I agree: funny as hell. But then I also found The Brothers Karamazov to be funny -- at least in parts.
msolga
 
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Reply Thu 12 Aug, 2010 08:30 am
@Thomas,
Confused This is the first I've heard of this book ... and I don't agree with any of the listed dot points. He has his tongue in his cheek, I assume?
Thomas
 
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Reply Thu 12 Aug, 2010 08:40 am
@msolga,
I thought you wouldn't. Smile I guess the benefit of the book to you, then, may be that it provides an intelligently reasoned case for what your opponents think. I don't expect it to change your mind. But if you enjoy reading outside of your own political persuasion (not all people do), I think you'll like it. As to his tongue being in his cheek, I guess sometimes it is---he clearly enjoys provoking people. But I do think he believes the general message of the book.
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georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 12 Aug, 2010 09:39 am
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:

Someone wrote of being a Tony Judt fan. Does everyone know he died Friday of complications from ALS?

Sorry to learn that, but thanks for the info. His history of postwar Europe ("Postwar") was a very good read - detailed & complete and, by contemporary standards, remarkably free of political bias with respect to the political evolution of the major European states. I recommended it, and recall that Panzade had undertaken to read it.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 12 Aug, 2010 09:48 am
@georgeob1,
What did it have to say of the development of ladies garments during the period under scrutiny. There has been a fairly dramatic change, except possibly in the upper classes, in this important area of cultural life.

I hope the book lays enough stress on television.
panzade
 
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Reply Thu 12 Aug, 2010 10:08 am
@georgeob1,
Quote:
I recommended it, and recall that Panzade had undertaken to read it.


A very worthwhile read. It takes a lot of concentration but pays off. The section on the post- war years in the UK and their film industry was brilliant.
Again george thanks for the tip.
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panzade
 
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Reply Thu 12 Aug, 2010 10:09 am
@spendius,
yes spendi, on all those things
Gargamel
 
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Reply Thu 12 Aug, 2010 10:18 am
@joefromchicago,
joefromchicago wrote:

Gargamel wrote:

I recommend Gogol's Dead Souls to anyone interested in a Russian classic that eschews the wretchedness typically associated with Russian authors like Dostoyevsky. It's funny as hell.

Everyone should read Dead Souls at least once. I've read it about three or four times. I agree: funny as hell. But then I also found The Brothers Karamazov to be funny -- at least in parts.


The thing I admire most about Dead Souls is how Gogol's narrator manages to be simultaneously a scathing satirist and benevolent grandfather. I try to do that **** and just end up being cynical and mean. I don't care that I'm cynical and mean; I'm just saying I'm impressed, that's all.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 12 Aug, 2010 11:00 am
@panzade,
I'll seek it out. The enthusiasm is infectious. It is a short period for studying culture but on the other hand this one is going at a faster rate than usual. The "predictive path" principle of our cricket's Hawkeye is the best use to put such a book. Except for hem lines.

"Don't follow leaders, watch the parking meters."
panzade
 
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Reply Thu 12 Aug, 2010 11:55 am
@spendius,
Quote:
"Don't follow leaders, watch the parking meters."


Feel free to analyze Dylan's quote
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Kara
 
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Reply Thu 12 Aug, 2010 12:03 pm
@Gargamel,
Gargamel.... Very Happy Very Happy
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