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Hang Tuah (Malaysia History)

 
 
Enyo
 
Reply Wed 6 Dec, 2006 01:02 am
Quote:
Hang Tuah is CHINESE not MALAY

Way back in 1987, a Malay (from the old school) told
me of his suspicion that Hang Tuah was Chinese.
Notice that Hang Tuah, Hang Jebat and Hang Lekiu
carry the same surname, Hang? Malays don't have
surnames. Hang Tuah is the eldest so 'tuah' which
means big or elder in some Chinese dialects, e.g.
Hokkien. Further, Hang Tuah brought a Chinese
princess to marry the Sultan of Malacca. Her name?
Hang Li Po.

One inaccuracy in the evidence cited below. The
relevant Chinese emperor is from the Ming Dynasty
not Qing (or Ching).

Even today, the Agong wears yellow and has a yellow
umbrella on ceremonial occasion. They were bestowed
by the Ming Emperor.


----- Original Message -----

Subject: Why was Hang Tuah taken off the history
text books since 1999??

Read all about it!



REASON WHY IN SEJARAH OF MALAYSIA SINCE YEAR 1999
Study about HANG TUAH
is MISSING ?????

" The Truth Reveal (with evidence)"

Received: from local by SmtpFwd via local research
project to compliment
the history studies that we undertaken in our
secondary school.

In June 1998, the government of Malaysia had hired a
team of experts The
objective of the research is simply:

1. To find prove and evident that show the Malays
are the origins of
Malaysia and they are the first race and religion
that lands their foot
in Malaysia.

2. To further strengthen their claims, first they
need to find the grave
yard of the Hang Tuah, Hang Jebat, Hang Lekiu and
etc..to show the
existant of their pioneer.

3. The Batu bersurat in Terengganu, reveals that the
islamic religion
has landed in Malaysia for a hundred years ago which
further strengthen
their claims! That is why, we are taught with
sejarah (history of
Malaysia)!!!!

BEWARE & OPEN YOUR EYES!!! go ask your brother,
sister, niece, newphew
and etc. etc, since the year 1999 (if i'm not
mistaken) or year 2000, do
they study about HANG TUAH anymore????????

Why is that popular subject GONE????? Missing in
action??????? Or
Evidence reveals something different that causes the
government to stop
the syllabus and HIDE the TRUTH????????

Here are the Evidences of the findings by the team
of scientists,
archaeologist, historian and other technical staff
from the United
State, United Kingdom, Germany, Canada, Yemen &
Russia.

The evidence are:


1) They finally found the grave yard of Hang Tuah,
Hang Jebat and
etc..., their skeleton had been analise and samples
of DNA had been
taken with the results show:
Hang Tuah, Hang Jebat, hang Lekiu and mates, they are not
Malay!!!!!! They are CHINESE! (islamic)from china!!!
and why are they here in Malacca?????

Because they are in a mission to protect the
UNGRATEFUL MALAY from the
potential attack of SIAM (Thailand)!!!

So Hang tuah is not malay hero!!! they are the
protector of the useless
and ungrateful Parameswara (who is from
INDONESIA)landed in Malacca and
claim the land belongs to him!!!

The hang tuah bunch of people are all from china,
they are being assign
to Malacca because Parameswara request the Ching
Dynasty Emporer for
protection!!! This is why the Hang Tuah series of history is MISSING
from the SEJARAH!!!!

2nd. Evidence:
The researchers hired by the government found the
oldest tomb
stone(grave yard) in Kelantan in year 2000.
Suprisingly the tomb stone
are at least 900 years old!!!! older than the
so-called batu bersurat.
and the best thing is, it belong to the Chinese.

Being landed first in Malacca doesn't mean Malay is
the first in
Malaysia cos during that time, the road is too long
for them to see the
other side of the coast!!! ! where the chinese has landed far more earlier.

If you want the black and white evidence of the
truth reveals please
write to: The Federal Association of Arc & Research
of Michigan, USA


I received this forwarded message and doubt if it's true. I think some of you might be living in US knows if the The Federal Association of Arc & Research of Michigan, USA exists? I want to contact them if so.

Can we really examine the race of someone with their skeleton and DNA?

I didn't really heard of anyone taking out Hang Tuah and friend's skeleton for examination, not in the papers.

So can anyone help me with this? I don't want inaccurate info being passed around. Although I'm not a Malay. Razz You know, there's some politic issues here and the Malays are ....
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jespah
 
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Reply Wed 6 Dec, 2006 04:34 am
If you type The Federal Association of Arc & Research
of Michigan
into Google, all you get is a bunch of blogs blathering on about the same email. While it's not in Snopes, that gives it a strong whiff of being untrue.
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Enyo
 
  1  
Reply Wed 6 Dec, 2006 05:30 am
That means it untrue. Mad I'll have to tell my friends about it then.
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Paaskynen
 
  1  
Reply Wed 27 Dec, 2006 03:43 am
To fill in the uninitiated on the background:

Malaysia is a federal state that covers several former British crown colonies and protectorates on the Malayan peninsula and on the west coast of Borneo/Kalimantan. Due to its strategic location halfway between India and China and on the turning point of the trade winds, Malaya has always been a crossroads of influences from all of Asia: India in the West, Siam in the North, China to the East and Indonesia to the South and South-West.

The population of Malaya was a mixture of Orang Asli (the original inhabitants of the area) Malay tribes and minorities of Chinese, Siamese, Buginese and Sumatran origin. Ties with China were particularly strong during the period of the Melaka sultanate, founded by Pameswara (a Sumatran exile), when Melaka was a protectorate of the Chinese Empire. During the colonial period the British imported large numbers of coolies from India and China to work in the mines and plantations of Malaya. At the independence Malays amounted to less than 50 percent of the population of Malaysia. The professional and economical top layer of the country was dominated by the descendants of Chinese and Indian descent.

However, the communist insurgency in the country (which the Chinese were accused of supporting), led to increased influence of Malays in the army and politics of the country. Malay politicians developed a policy to establish Malay domination in all layers of society. This system of Bumi putra as it is called gives special priviliges to Malay muslims over other groups in the population, especially the Chinese and Indian minorities (presented as a kind of affirmative action for marginalised malays, this is in fact a kind of modern day Blut und Boden policy). At the start this meant including the Orang Asli and other indigenous populations in Borneo as Bumi putras (so as to claim that the policy represents the majority of the population). The influence of these groups on the policy is however naught. An expansive demographic policy seeks to establish numerical superiority of Malay muslims over all the other groups. As part and parcel of the policy, Malays have been parachuted into all major enterprises and positions of power in the country. The result has been that the country has changed from a pluralistic society into an ever stricter muslim national identity. (Pluralism is now reserved for the tourist sector)

The figurehead for this policy has been the former "perpetual" prime minister Mahathir Mohamad who coupled a strong economic development policy with a fervently anti-Western, anti-Singaporean and anti-Indonesian, or summa summarum, anti-everyone stance. Under his rule the non-Malay minorities have been marginalised as much as possible in Malaysia, their contribution to Malaysian history denied and their culture suppressed.

The above issue about the cultural identitiy of Hang Tuah and other historical figures is a reaction to this discrimination of non-Malay groups.
craos
 
  2  
Reply Fri 5 Sep, 2008 06:03 pm
Everyone's in the world are migrants.. since Paleolithic, people tend to travel to places which suits themselves. If anyone would like to know who's the origin or first to lives there.. just look for the majority. We can compare it with other nations as well-please correct me if I'm wrong..

Powerful people conquer others and make themselves the leaders. Just like the ancient times where wars are a part of world's development among mankind. Since sultan are the highest leadership in Malaysia since Malacca times, you can say that they win the house cup..-what am I saying..

Speaking of which, I think Malay are a part of Indonesia as well as Japan are a part of China-please say something! ASAP!!
benh
 
  1  
Reply Mon 22 Sep, 2008 02:31 pm
@craos,
Absolutely true,if you study the history of Ming Dynasty both in english & chinese version you will know where hang tuah & friends came from.But then again does it really matters after all these years? Whose the origin of malaya will start a racial problem,why not just concentrate on how to live in peace with other races? why the malays keep on asking ''the egg came first or the chic came second''........for more than 50 years!!
omg1213
 
  1  
Reply Mon 20 Oct, 2008 01:30 am
@benh,
jz as benh say...
those ppl who r still arguing who is the origin of m'sia jz like small kids that still sucking milk(never had grown mature) and still peevish for toys (priviliges)...

come on!! 51st years of independence oreadi!!!
is tat all still important??
giving too many toys will spoiled them...rely too much!! tat's y never grown mature!!
how to improve?!?!
omg1213
 
  1  
Reply Mon 20 Oct, 2008 01:33 am
@omg1213,
and the guy hu say will come back after 3 years...
is like too free after hving his meal...

came out vf the stupid and meaningless topic for wat?
no eye c..~~

PS sorry for bad english and grammar...jz want to express my feelings n opinions...
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malay muslim
 
  1  
Reply Tue 2 Dec, 2008 10:38 am
@Enyo,
I wonder about many Chinese names all over the world now: Michael Chang, Peter Woo, Christina Ong, Sherry Lim, David Choo, Margareth Chan ...

1/ Hang Tuah could be a Chinese, of course.
Do not forget that nationalism tendency-ism was more or less formulated by the European in the 15th CE, when they started to visit other continents beyond Europe. I do not think the past and ancient China looked at the world and its inhabitants in this European formula/point of view (i.e. in segregrating people into skin, facial, habitual colours). I have not thought about how the Chinese of the past and the ancient looked at the world beyond their kingdoms in general. Yet, even if Hang Tuah were Chinese, he could have thought of himself as a Malay at that time, simply because he left China and lived in Malaya.

2/ However, Hang Tuah is most probably a Malay, who possibly adopted a Chinese name, or a sounding Chinese name of Han or Hang, because at that time, the Chinese cultural influences were at the height of the day, as the Western Christian cultural influences are now in our time. (And thus, the name of Michael, Peter, Christina, Sherry, David, Margareth listed above).

3/ Or, Hang Tuah is a Malay with a Malay name. There may be a long lost thread of the origin of Hang in Malay world. It sounds similar to Hyang, or Yang (from Sang Hyang, the God of Balinese). The words: "Sang Hyang" and "Yang"; or "yang" (translation: "that is" ) are still very much current at the moment: Yang Dipertuan Agong, yang ini dan yang itu.

Nevertheless, no matter who we are, or who our ancestors were, humankind has their origin of Africa. The DNA researches have proven this fact beyond doubt. And what is the origin of the African origin? From the stars. We are, were all the children of the stars (chemically, biologically)
craos
 
  1  
Reply Wed 10 Dec, 2008 01:01 pm
I couldn't agree more..
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danielmax
 
  1  
Reply Sun 29 Mar, 2009 11:11 pm
@Paaskynen,
seem like you are totally lost & have no real knowledge about Malaysia
danielmax
 
  1  
Reply Mon 30 Mar, 2009 12:26 am
@malay muslim,
No matter how much you said, the main point is some people is hiding the fact & can't accept the truth. Why hide?
danielmax
 
  1  
Reply Mon 30 Mar, 2009 12:33 am
@benh,
Yesss....I agree. Is it important than lives in peace? Why hiding the truth? Are they shame of it?
rsqleong
 
  1  
Reply Fri 10 Apr, 2009 09:15 pm
Why all this woo ha about the race/nationality of long death persons? It is part of history and should remain there. What we should do is really take a good look at it and look at the lesson it is trying to teach us.
If Hang Tuah and co are ethic Chinese well n good. If they are Malay, well n good too. I think that is not important and irrelevant. What is relevant is the lesson it has taught us i.e. no matter what race we are or where we came from, we can live together harmoniously and help each other in time of crisis.
Therefore, in my view, we should be spending our time and resources to pursue a better co existence with mutual respect to each other's cultural belief, religion etc instead of wasting energy, time, money and creating unproductive aggravation to satisfy our ego.
These kind of topics are for those people with nothing else better to do with their lives, or does not have a life. My advise to them is "GO GET A LIFE!" If you can't and really want something to fill your unproductive time, I have another topic for you to waste your brain cells on: Kublai Khan, is he Mongolian or Chinese? History books refer to him as the Emperor of China,doesn't that make him a Chinese? But he is ethnic Mongolian? So what is he really?
Here is another one, all British Monarch has other European bloodline, so what race is Queen Elizabeth II? Does it really matter???
The rest of the world has already accepted the fact that we are of the human race. Our blood are all red in color and we will all die eventually. What separate us or identify us, are our beliefs, the language we speak & way of living. What we should be doing is to find common ground to create a better quality of life instead of going to war over our more "primitive" forebear's
decision or action.
As far as I am concern, Hang Tuah & Co, were, during their time Malaccains and now, Malaysian.
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bonzai
 
  1  
Reply Sun 24 May, 2009 04:14 am
@Paaskynen,
What you say is partly true or feasible. Consider the following:
a) The Malyasian government's constant assertion of "bumipuraism" over the last 50 years will lose credibility if Hang Tuah was in fact a Musilim Chinese from the Yunnan province, China. So they had to continue with deluding the populace;
b) In Malaya's early history, particularly the ascendence of Malacca, the various kingdoms in the region looked to China for protection from Siam and to intercede in their quarrels;
c) It is a fact that Admiral Zheng-He, himself a Chinese Musilim from Yunnan province, made many voyages to the West via the Straits of Malacca and stopped at Malacca to collect tributes and handle matters of concern in Chinese trade on behalf of the Emperor;
d) It was during one of these trips that the then Sultan of Malacca pleaded for the Chinese Emperor to protect her from Siamese invasion. Consequently, Ad. Zheng-He brought Hang Tuah and his clansmen (all surname Hang) from Yunnan province (Zheng-He home province) on a mission to Malacca to help the Sultan, and they stayed there throughout the reigh of Sultan Mansur Shah.

Now I ask you: What is more plausible? That Hang Tuah was a Malay folk hero or a folk hero of Chinese extraction serving Malaya? Would the Government concede the latter? Not on you nelly! Not if they want to perpectuate the 'myth' of a famous Malay folk hero named Hang Tuah. They would shoot themselves in the foot if they concede. Consider also the surname 'Hang' and the other 'Hang's who came with him. Is this a typical Malay name or Chinese name? Consider also that there are still many Hang's in China to this day, in the Yunnan and Qunghai provinces in China and elsewhere, e.g. Vietnam, Australia, in fact following the Chinese diaspora.

Is there any evidence of the birth or early life of Hang Tuah in Malaya in the 15th century that anyone can provide to establish once and for all this fallacy? Use your intelligence based on all the information before you decide. I concede that it could be true that the issue about Hang Tuah's origin could be a reaction to the discriminatory policy that persists to this day. These days one can only resort to words rather than action against an oppressive Government, as we well know.
Bonzai.
airil
 
  1  
Reply Fri 14 Aug, 2009 11:37 am
hang tuah is a real malay..please understand the original history dont make u own history..hang tuah not use kung fu to fight people he use silat.
Paaskynen
 
  1  
Reply Mon 17 Aug, 2009 08:12 am
@danielmax,
Quote:
Re: Paaskynen (Post 2451993)
seem like you are totally lost & have no real knowledge about Malaysia


Fine, and will you please point out the factual errors in the background I supplied and explain how they are wrong. Anyone can accuse someone else of being ignorant, in this site you will have to prove your point if you make that accusation.
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Paaskynen
 
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Reply Mon 17 Aug, 2009 08:23 am
@bonzai,
Hi Bonzai,

You seem to be under the impression that I am making a point in favour of against the claims presented in the initial message in this thread. I am not. The thread was started by a user called Enyo. However, since the subject is rather far removed from the beds of most of the users in able2know, I provided some background to the story, so that they would be able to place it. I do not claim to be a specialist on Malaysia and indeed one user accuses me of ignorance (I beg to disagree with him, but that is another matter) and I have no stake in this alleged controversy.

Whether Hang Tuah and his companions were Chinese or Malay matters only to the nationalist Malays and their pluralist opposition. The majority of the world population couldn't care less.
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hahaheb
 
  1  
Reply Mon 9 Nov, 2009 11:58 pm
@benh,
The problem is i went to the library in China, Nanjing last year look up their history database study about Ming dynasty history, I cant find anything about the Hang's gang nor even the princess Hang Li Po. Is either it record in other name, those people does not exist(only appear in Sejarah Melayu) or the source I read not powerful enough. Though I dont think the source i read from are not reliable enough, it is the official record. Can I ask you what chinese version of Ming dynasty history you read from?
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gsuratjoe2552
 
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Reply Wed 11 Nov, 2009 08:35 am
It doesn't matter. The fact is I am Malay and I love chinese girls!

Jo
 

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