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Morality Concerning Prostitution

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jun, 2010 05:07 am
@Pepijn Sweep,
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Futhermore: US was symbolic in it's presence during Great War; during the second World War US joint when attacked herself. Before that Europe paid full price for her arms. It was self-motivated because of geo-political reasons, not to "save" Europe. A third European intervention I can't think of, or it must have been bombing the Chinese ambassy in Belgrado.



The millions of fresh troops that broke the stalemate of WW1 were in some manner symbolic!!!!!

Europe paid full price before we enter WW2? Did you not hear of the lend-lease program?

The third intervention you never hear of? You never hear of our keeping troops and war material in Europe for three generations or so after WW2 and extending our nuclear shield to keep the former UUSR from rolling over all of Europe at their whim?

I was under the impression that they taught more history then that in the European school systems.


Pepijn Sweep
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jun, 2010 05:51 am
@BillRM,
My country was neutral during WW1 and produced ammunition and airplanes for the fighting neighbours. Our Queen was a cousine of the Emperor of Germany. Maybe that's why they skip the subject in school... Anyway, it was the civil population and the soldiers who started to rebel. Empires collapsed by nationalism or communism; not by US soldiers.

I did not know the lend-lease program started so early in the War. I stand corrected. The US troops after the war were not welcomed by every citizen of Europe. I remember the Cold War very well. Did you also train A-bomb attacks on Monday ? We still have the sirens going off..
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jun, 2010 10:16 am
@Pepijn Sweep,
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I did not know the lend-lease program started so early in the War. I stand corrected


The lend-lease program was design by the Roosevelt administration to get around the congressional ban on selling war materials to the English and the French on credit before we became part of the war.

Once we did enter the war however such a program was no longer needed.

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Empires collapsed by nationalism or communism; not by US soldiers.


The millions of extra and fresh soldiers we added to the fighting during WW1 was the main deciding factor that did end the stalemate and allow the allies to dictate peace terms. A large percent of historians would agree with that statement.

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The US troops after the war were not welcomed by every citizen of Europe.


A far as whether the population of Europe care or did not care to have American troops on their soil after WW2 does not address the fact that without them being there all of Europe would had became puppets states of the USSR in short order at best.

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Did you also train A-bomb attacks on Monday ?


No one day of the week for air raid drills nationwide however I do remember air raid drills and getting under our school tables or going into the school hallways during such drills.

I in fact as a teenager I can remember taking a protractor/compass and drawing range circles on a map to see what missiles could or could no reach my home from Cuba during the Cuban Missiles Crisis.



Pepijn Sweep
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jun, 2010 10:30 am
@BillRM,
The Netherlands have been a puppet-state since Napoleon in 1800´s occupied Western Europe and ended our Republic. Nothing new.

By the way, the most beautifull modern Crown Jewels were made in the USSR ! Also a lot of historic monuments and paintings are conserved by the sovjets. In visited in 1988, just before the Wall in Berlin was abandonned. Now Russia was basicly a European country and it reminded me of Yugoslavia.

The US drafted 4 million men for WW I. In Europe 60 million people were drafted and sent to war. I read about the Afro-American war efforts. The generals used frontal attacks, which European forces abondonned after years of heavy losses. The survivors got a French medal.
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Pepijn Sweep
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jun, 2010 11:02 am
@BillRM,
The lend-lease program went on till after the war. The United Kingdom bought the last armour etcetera to defend herself against the Russians. Payments were made till 1970´s.

The numbre of US casualties was less then a tenth of each major European nation involved. The Ottoman Empire suffered a hundreth times the losses.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jun, 2010 01:11 pm
@Pepijn Sweep,
The fact that the US got involved in WW1 late and did not loss a whole generation of our men is kind of beside the point that the millions of troops we did enter into the conflict was the deciding factor in that war.

All the other countries in that conflict by that time had each reach the end of their manpower supply. A whole generation of European manhood had been thrown away on the battlegrounds control by the machine guns.

Once more the lend lease program of pre-WW2 was a method to get around the ban on loans that exist before Dec 7, 1941 or a week or so afterward when Germany declared war on the US.

That the program continue afterward is beside the point as the ban on loans did not exist afterward and so the program was not needed even if it did just continue out of momentum.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jun, 2010 01:25 pm
@Pepijn Sweep,
Oh side note we had drifted way off tropic somehow!

Anyone wish to go back to the hookers who was name after a American civil war General by the name of Hooker!
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roger
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jun, 2010 01:35 pm
@Pepijn Sweep,
You seem to think royalty is expensive. Wait till you get the bill for Congress - if we have a deal, I mean.
Pepijn Sweep
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jun, 2010 02:01 pm
@BillRM,
It is exactly this extra military force what made the Peace of Versaille possible. The German civil government had to agree on a Peace-treaty which led to a second WW within 20 years.

You made it sound like US was Saviour of Europe but I think it was mainly politics and lots of self-interest. I don-t think we will agree on this soon... So I would like to leave it at this and return to Morality Concerning Prostitution.

Thanks for informing me. There is still a lot to learn !
mark noble
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jun, 2010 02:09 pm
@brainspew,
Hi Brain!

What other people do is their business. Why should it concern me. I have some friends who are prostitutes. What their occupaton is.....who cares? Underneath the iniquitous cloak society throws over them - they are people.

Kind regards.
Mark...
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Pepijn Sweep
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jun, 2010 02:37 pm
@roger,
Deal was the Old one´s... One Democrat got away today. Since we have also a Parlement I would retire the whole Congress and put them on well-fare. Or train them as a honorary Guard. How many Congressmen does New Amsterdam have ? Empire State it´s called. We could dress them as Renbrandt did the guards in his paintings...

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Pepijn Sweep
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jun, 2010 02:41 pm
I am trying to find out the actual situation in Amsterdam, where prostitution is legal and regulated.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jun, 2010 02:48 pm
@Pepijn Sweep,
Ok and I agree with you we are way off tropic however I cannot stop myself from making one more comment.

Motivations for doing some deed or other do not change the deed itself.

Of course we had all kind of reasons of self interests in defending Europe in the cold war and in getting involved in the two World Wars however that fact does not change that by so doing we did save European civilization from being overrun by the USSR and was a very major factor in ending the madness of the Nazis in the heart of Europe.
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roger
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jun, 2010 07:53 pm
@Pepijn Sweep,
You just might have to get down and do some primary research.
Pepijn Sweep
 
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Reply Mon 28 Jun, 2010 10:43 pm
@roger,
I worked as a volunteer lawyer-person for the `union´of the prostitutes (sexworkers was the correct name) when the legalization took place. I am familiair with the old situation but wonder what the situation is now...

The city of Amsterdam concentrates on safety for the workers and the clients, concentrating activities in certain aereas and checking the work-conditions and forbids the employment of minors. I did not find numbers to indicate if it all works.
roger
 
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Reply Tue 29 Jun, 2010 01:05 am
@Pepijn Sweep,
This is not the first time I've tossed out a line like that and received a serious and informative answer.
Pepijn Sweep
 
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Reply Tue 29 Jun, 2010 07:11 am
@roger,
There is more... I checked the policy of the city of Amsterdam and it did follow the agenda put down 10 years ago. The policy wants prostitutes to work independently or in a group but always as their own choice. In a brothel there is a choice to work as an employé(e).

For health, finance and administration the city has a help-desk. Also the tax-department for Amsterdam has a special inspecteur. The city developped a program for minors and immigrant workers who want to quit.

The prostitutes organized themselves an Information Center. It helps collegues and informs the tourists who come for the Red Light District. It also sells souvenirs to pay the rent.

Problems and solutions seem the same over the last 10 years, but the prostitutes look slightly better. I did not do a price check. Activities are moving towards escorts and home-prostitution, which is much harder to control.

The city did not give any statistics which is suspicious to me. Is the result of 10 year legalization so meager ?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Tue 29 Jun, 2010 10:53 am
@Pepijn Sweep,
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Problems and solutions seem the same over the last 10 years, but the prostitutes look slightly better. I did not do a price check. Activities are moving towards escorts and home-prostitution, which is much harder to control.
in America as well, where the business is moving off of the street and onto the internet, via places such as Craigslist. It is easier, it is safer, it is more time efficient, and many girls now don't figure that they need a pimp so they now keep all of the money.

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The city did not give any statistics which is suspicious to me. Is the result of 10 year legalization so meager ?
it makes sense, if technology has promoted this business largely staying on the black market in spite of the activity being legalized the city is not going to advertise how little of the market is in the daylight and is regulated.
roger
 
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Reply Tue 29 Jun, 2010 09:32 pm
@hawkeye10,
My thinking on that is that when they did 'need' a pimp, it was as protection from other pimps, not as something akin to a booking agent.
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