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Catch-22

 
 
Twigs
 
Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 12:31 am
I am about halfway through this novel and I've been trying to come up with another example of a Catch-22, but have not yet been able to think of anything. The example given in the book itself is, "a man is considered insane if he willingly continues to fly dangerous combat missions, but if he makes the necessary formal request to be relieved of such missions, the very act of making the request proves that he is sane and therefore ineligible to be relieved."

Any ideas?
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jespah
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 03:40 am
The idea of the Catch-22 is that you're caught, er, to use a cliché, you're damned if you do, and damned if you don't. A paradox.

Case in point. A solar-powered light switch with no energy storage capacity -- such an invention could only come on when it was light outside and would get brighter the sunnier it was, which is exactly when you don't need it.
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 06:26 am
I can't fix the hole in the roof because it is raining, but when the sun is shining there is no need to fix the hole in the roof.
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fresco
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 11:13 am
Catch 22 seems to be an particular instance of Russell's Paradox.

In a particular country a condemned man is allowed to chose his method of execution by making one final statement which if true leads to hanging and if false leads to beheading. What happens to the man who says "I will be beheaded" ?
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kickycan
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 11:30 am
I'm reading that book right now too. It's a riot.
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 11:40 am
For a recent example, click here.

fresco wrote:
Catch 22 seems to be an particular instance of Russell's Paradox.

In a particular country a condemned man is allowed to chose his method of execution by making one final statement which if true leads to hanging and if false leads to beheading. What happens to the man who says "I will be beheaded" ?

I don't think that's an example of Russell's Paradox, that's just a variant on the Liar's Paradox.
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fresco
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 02:18 pm
Joe,

http://philosophy.hku.hk/courses/old/laurencegoldstein/phil2511/lecture4.html

You could be correct, but I don't have the energy to wade through this lot ! Smile
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Twigs
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jun, 2007 02:49 pm
Thanks Fresco, that link was really helpful. Smile
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Foofie
 
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Reply Sun 24 Jun, 2007 08:10 pm
I believe another example of a Catch-22:
Interviewing an applicant for a job, the interviewer asks, "Tell me a positive quality about yourself."
The applicant responds, "I'm a very modest person."
The interviewer responds, "That can't be true, since a modest person wouldn't tell anyone that he/she is modest, especially after the question about telling me a positive quality about yourself. You can't, in effect, be modest."
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BlueAwesomeness
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jul, 2007 10:27 pm
Interesting discussion. I'm wondering...is the book good? It sounds pretty funny.
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dagmaraka
 
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Reply Fri 13 Jul, 2007 10:46 pm
It's one of the classics. Not sure about the U.S., but back at home in Slovakia we have it on the reading list in high school. Loved loved loved it.
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Roberta
 
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Reply Sat 14 Jul, 2007 12:08 am
The book is very good. Hilarious and sad.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jul, 2007 07:00 pm
Some people like it more than others, naturally. Everyone's sense of humor may not be the same. It's worth starting, I believe.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 15 Jul, 2007 09:59 pm
fresco, It requires too much concentration to keep up with the article in your link. My head is spinning so bad, I'm going to have difficulty knowing what is true and what is false from now on.
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Twigs
 
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Reply Fri 20 Jul, 2007 09:31 am
IMHO the book is hilarious, but I know several people who thought the monotonous context was as boring as I thought it funny.
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